$25 NLHE 6-max: should we fold second pair here?

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$25 NL HE 6-max: should we fold second pair here?

Stacks:
* backi999 with $5.12
* BTN with $30.47
* SB with $27.62

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Site: party poker
* * Dealt to SB:J♣ J♠
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop: BTN raises [$0.75 USD] Hero raises [$2.40 USD]
* * 1 players fold.
BTN calls [$1.75 USD]
* * Total folds this street: 1
* * Potsize: $5.15
Flop: 6♠ Q♣ 8♠ Hero bets [$3.74 USD] BTN raises [$7.50 USD] Hero calls [$3.76 USD]
* * Potsize: $20.15
Turn: 2♥ Hero checks BTN bets [$9.62 USD] Hero ??????

No history at all with villain.
Should hero jam here or is he beat. The bet sizing on villian is just so off!!!

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thepokerkid123

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I fold on the flop. I don't mind betting but the reason I'd bet here is because bluff catching OOP sucks and I'd rather rep the Q or better with a cbet. You are either way ahead or way behind and once he raises I don't think it's ever +EV to assume you're ahead here.
 
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Yep i would fold, if he has a Q theres alot of time for him to bet the pot up and if lower cards come and you dont think he has it ull be shipping all your chips away
 
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Calling the raise and then folding on the turn is weak. Either re-raise or fold. I can't tell you what to do since I don't know villain, but I don't like calling 3-bets unless I'm really plan on pursuing the pot.
 
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what queen would he have here? 3bet preflop, villain is on the button and we're 3 handed. His bet is all kinds of stuff there and given the table is so short handed he could be raising with an A8 as often as a Q, especially if you Cbet a lot. The strange little raise also make me think this is less than a stellar hand. I dont see how you can fold to his reraise on the flop in a 3bet pot this shorthanded. call feels a little weak given you have a good 3 handed hand, a raise (shove) may be better.
 
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I think you should make your cbet smaller since it is a 3-bet pot.

If villan is any good everything he calls us with except TT and AK is ahead of us(tying with JJ). I think TT flats on the flop and I don't think AK raises here excepting with the flush draw. It might also be something like middile pocket pair looking to hit big, and might have.

If villan is bad things still don't look that good for us. If he is bad enough to flat KQ or AQ to a 3 bet we are still solidly beat.

Frankly I don't know why you bet the flop at all since only hands that beat us call. If you check you might be able to squeeze some value from other hands.

I understand why you flatted but any hand, even a bluff, that raises us on the flop follows up on the turn I think. Rack it up to being OOP.

People love to get bluffy at this limit, but villan has shown strength, and it is up to us to get the money in good. Putting in our stacks at a thin place like this turns us from the top 30% down to the losing 70%.

I'm not very good at poker though, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
 
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