Originally Posted by Deco
This is similar to your light 4bet with T8o.
Having a wide range is all well and good but 58o has no part within it.
This is more or less the widest range I'd ever 3bet and I made it only for regs who steal50%+ from the SB and have high F3Bs and even then I'd stop using this range if they adjust as it's very exploitable.
Even this insane range has no 58o
Think more about your ranges and less about how your hand does in a vacuum.
I'm +1 on your point about hand selection and range regulation - we should very rarely be 3betting 58o, even in position (over 55 hands I'm almost never), but I'm not on board with your hand selection. I have no idea why you're 3betting T6o over T6s, or even 86o instead of K4s. If the argument is that you're flatting those suited hands (which I doubt given my knowledge of your style), it'd take a pretty terrible postflop player to play those profitably as a standard.
Mine, against a similar %50+ SB open range, is a lot like this:
That said, YES to using hand selection as a frequency regulator, and to generally pick better postflop hands in general. Like Deco said, think about your RANGES and your HAND DISTRIBUTION rather than if it's profitable to 3bet a hand on it's own. Every single hand is profitable to 3bet on it's own. Think about that. I can 3bet 72o profitably vs a wide opener. But I don't. Think about why.
Originally Posted by Ducky7
Why arent you 3b'ing Q8o, J8o and 3b'ing T5o vs this madmen
Not that I'm on board with 3betting T5o - let's say Q8o vs 64o. What are the advantages of having Q8o postflop in a 3bet pot? 64o? What kind of range does your opponent call with vs a 3bet?
Originally Posted by hutz
I'm not a big fan of polarized 3betting ranges.