$25 NLHE 6-max: Rivered quads 140BB deep - how much to bet?

Villain is relatively unknown, nothing to suggest he isn't solid. 19/19 with 6%3bet over 84 hands.

Please feel free to give me stick for playing too passively...input as to where I should have raised would be appreciated (turn always seems to obv?) but as played OMG when the river is a T...how much do I value bet?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($35.31)
SB ($32.02)
BB ($14)
UTG ($58.07)
MP ($46.72)
CO ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10 , 10
UTG bets $0.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.50) 2 , 10 , J (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $1.74, Hero calls $1.74, 1 fold

Turn: ($5.98) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $3.19, Hero calls $3.19

River: ($12.36) 10 (2 players)
UTG bets $6

Raise flop, the board is wet as hell, and every connector from AK down to 78 has at least a gutshot.

As played, shove the river. But villain should almost always be bet/folding this river with his range.

Raise flop.

baudib1 said:

Raise flop.

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Yep and shove river as played.

micro, lol you know better.

raise flop, or at least raise turn!

he should have like $14 behind am I right? I like shoving, but know in game I'd prob make it like $14+..

c9h13no3 said:

Raise flop, the board is wet as hell, and every connector from AK down to 78 has at least a gutshot.

As played, shove the river. But villain should almost always be bet/folding this river with his range.

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yep

Campbell92 said:

micro, lol you know better.

raise flop, or at least raise turn!

he should have like $14 behind am I right? I like shoving, but know in game I'd prob make it like $14+..

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He has a LOT behind, his effective stack has $23 behind due to size of my stack.

Trouble here is, I think shoving will fold out everything except JJ, 77, 22 and 89...still more +EV than a min raise?

Another reason raising the flop is good, we want to get the money in if he has a hand.

140bb deep -.-

that sizing looks like a bet/fold size though, if he had a boat I'm pretty sure you'd have got a bigger river bet.

UTG raise + triple barrel + J high board = overpair, like all of the time.

which can still call a shove depending on how bad he is.

AK/AQ/KQ check folds the river imo, but either way you're not getting value from them so they can be discounted.

you're gonna get a LOT of folds, but you have to shove here I don't think you have any other options really.

$18ish? even though if he's calling 18 he's prob calling a shove so you're leaving money on the table..

just raise the turn and make my life easier micro!

lol yeah should def have raised...flop I think better to make those draws pay or shove over.

As played, on the river I can raise it up to $29 if I shove, but as you say I thought that would def make TPTK, TPGK fold and probably overpairs too since we are deep. I think you are right that his bet size looks like bet/fold so smaller raises > shove here imo

It looks like an inelastic situation here, which means I prefer shoving river.

if i have this situation i will raise like 15$ after he raise 6$, because if he have like full house he willl re-raise you then you can push all in, and in my opinion 2,5x re-raise is good for that situation

micromachine said:

lol yeah should def have raised...flop I think better to make those draws pay or shove over.

As played, on the river I can raise it up to $29 if I shove, but as you say I thought that would def make TPTK, TPGK fold and probably overpairs too since we are deep. I think you are right that his bet size looks like bet/fold so smaller raises > shove here imo

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He's gotta start folding overpairs before the min raise becomes better than the shove. Since people find it hard to fold TP much less overpairs, I shove.

Tough to say which is better, either a shove or a minraise. The shove means he is hoping you are bluffing with tons of your missed draws which makes sense here, the minraise just means you hope he is typical bad always pays it off kinda guy, which is extremely likely. I do agree that not raising the flop is a crime but it does lead to interesting spots deep, I just don't think you are deep enough to mix it up at only 140 bbs, I would want 200+ Raising turn is still viable and in fact may get him to stack off overpairs so that sounds good as well. The question you are asking is ambiguous, any answer could be the right one, any raise size is better than calling the river