Originally Posted by akaRobbo
Why would he raise that much with a Q high or worse flush. Sorry but im not buying he has a worse flush, it calls, doesn't raise that much.
He puts me on a flush so trys to get max value from a FH...
It's a pretty ridiculous bluff if he's got air, and one that just won't happen at the micro's. Lol, since when did micro players try and push people off flushes? Just doesnt happen does it?
He's not even making a pot sized raise. So it's not that large of a raise on the river honestly. But yes, I don't play micro's, but I've coached enough people at these stakes and I've seen plenty of people raise or even shove worse flushes here. Tons.
And why does he only put you on a flush? Don't you have a good amount of people at your stakes c/cing with AQ/AK and even worse on this flop. You don't really do anything this whole hand and then bet the river. You could even have air. I don't think he's only trying to push you off a flush. He could be trying to push you off AK/AQ, some other small pairs.
You're going to be beat here sometimes. Sometimes he's going to have a goofy boat. But what you're trying to decide, and what the good players are doing at higher stakes is looking at that entire range someone is going to have here, and considering the fact that you're opponent is now committed if he does have a lower flush and raise, they're weighing all of those range possibilities versus the times you're beat. So does shoving versus that range provide a slightly higher EV than calling? I think it's probably pretty close, but this guy is a bit tighter. Tighter players tend to not get paid off as much so they don't bet as much, so his range swings more to poorly played boat) because if he played it better, he maybe could have stacked you. But he still can have lower flushes and air. Some of these tight guys also like to play really small suited connectors. Not entirely sure why they do, I think they sometimes think they think other players won't think that's in their range. and then show up with 43s.
Any ways, I think calling is the higher EV play here, and a shove probably close. If he wasn't quite as tight, then shove would likely become slightly higher EV. Just my two cents.