$25 NLHE 6-max: River trips facing x/shove

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PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 193 BB
Hero (BB): 129.8 BB
UTG: 46.4 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 94.68 BB
BTN: 192.08 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A:spade: T:spade:

fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB raises to 5 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB

Flop: (15 BB, 3 players) Q:heart: A:club: 2:club:
SB checks, Hero bets 10.4 BB, fold, SB calls 10.4 BB

Turn: (35.8 BB, 2 players) K:diamond:
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (35.8 BB, 2 players) A:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 26.8 BB, SB raises to 177.6 BB and is all-in, Hero ???

Effective stack sizes are 88 on river.

Pre is meh.

Flop, standard

Turn seems pretty standard, I could bet for value vs KJ but I think it is going to be rare for villain to have flush draws after raising out of the SB and if he did he would probably bet flop with them.

River, I bet pretty large to polarize my range and rep busted draws and villain should have some weak Ax in his range that he plays this way.

Thoughts on all streets would be appreciated.
 
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I love it right up until he shoves the river.

I'd be so friggin' tempted to call that... :(
He shouldn't be doing this with anything you beat, but on the other hand, he should bet everything that beats you instead of checking both the turn and the river, since this could very well get checked through to showdown.
This practically feels like a total bluff, which is why I'm inclined to call.

With my luck, this is AK/AQ/KK/QQ.

It's very similar to this hand, isn't it?
 
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I love it right up until he shoves the river.

I'd be so friggin' tempted to call that... :(
He shouldn't be doing this with anything you beat, but on the other hand, he should bet everything that beats you instead of checking both the turn and the river, since this could very well get checked through to showdown.
This practically feels like a total bluff, which is why I'm inclined to call.

With my luck, this is AK/AQ/KK/QQ.

It's very similar to this hand, isn't it?

In a way, yes. I have been reviewing my river play a lot lately so a lot of the hands I have posted probably have similarities.

If it is a bluff, what range do you think villain thinks I have? I think I am repping Ax or a bluff pretty well here so do you think villain bluff raises against that?

What bluffs can villain have that x/calls flop after he raised pre? I agree this hand makes 0 sense
 
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If it is a bluff, what range do you think villain thinks I have? I think I am repping Ax or a bluff pretty well here so do you think villain bluff raises against that?

What bluffs can villain have that x/calls flop after he raised pre? I agree this hand makes 0 sense
The only thing I can think of is JJ/TT trying to get you off your Kx whiffed flush/straight draw.

Nothing else makes sense, since that K hits all your flop semi-bluffs and all his calling hands.


Of course that also means that you'll be betting your entire range on this river, which means he can easily set you up with a monster. I think this one is going to be a lot closer to a fold than that other hand. Did he slowplay AQ/QQ on the flop? Or AK??? QQ makes the most sense, imo.
 
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I don't think he would have checked QQ on the flop. I think he would have gone for cbet.

I think he's raising pre with a wide range to steal since the btn is giving up his limp easy most times.

My guess is he either has a straight or nothing.
 
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It smells like QQ or 22.

I don't think I would call river. I guess V could have somthing like K-10c or K-Jc, and he could bluff those once in a blue moon (maybe he doesn't think it's a bluff). But even then, I'd think he would have Cbet.
 
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I love it right up until he shoves the river.

I'd be so friggin' tempted to call that... :(
He shouldn't be doing this with anything you beat, but on the other hand, he should bet everything that beats you instead of checking both the turn and the river, since this could very well get checked through to showdown.
This practically feels like a total bluff, which is why I'm inclined to call.

With my luck, this is AK/AQ/KK/QQ.

It's very similar to this hand, isn't it?



I didn't even think of KK for some unknown reason. Yes, it could be KK also.
 
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Wow, Hero folded and I checked results today and villain had AJ. Great example of betting with a hand when worse is never calling.
 
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I'm not a fan of your call pre. A10s oop against a 3bet is pretty marginal. You probably would have been better off folding this one.

That said, as played, if your goal was to polarize your range on the river, why not bet pot or pot +? I think you may have put villian in a tougher spot by betting 1.25psb. Your current bet could easily look like missed draws or a weak Ace which (on that board) could be pushed to fold against an all in.

Check behind or bet bigger IMO.
 
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I'm not a fan of your call pre. A10s oop against a 3bet is pretty marginal. You probably would have been better off folding this one.

That said, as played, if your goal was to polarize your range on the river, why not bet pot or pot +? I think you may have put villian in a tougher spot by betting 1.25psb. Your current bet could easily look like missed draws or a weak Ace which (on that board) could be pushed to fold against an all in.

Check behind or bet bigger IMO.

Good points about river sizing but this wasn't a 3 bet, it was an isolation raise and I had position on the aggressor. I did think about 3 betting but I didn't mind the btn coming along.The call could still be incorrect, I'm not too sure.
 
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I think the call IP against what appears to be a wide range is more than defensible
 
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I'm not a fan of your call pre. A10s oop against a 3bet is pretty marginal. You probably would have been better off folding this one.

That said, as played, if your goal was to polarize your range on the river, why not bet pot or pot +? I think you may have put villian in a tougher spot by betting 1.25psb. Your current bet could easily look like missed draws or a weak Ace which (on that board) could be pushed to fold against an all in.

Check behind or bet bigger IMO.

Don't know if you misread, or whatever. Just to clarify, there was no 3b here.

Blind is 1-bet.

BTN limps.

SB raises (2-bet) to 5BB.

Hero cold calls in position (position on pre flop raiser, BTN hardly ever has anything better than hero here), button calls and closes.


So if for example, BTN raises to 3BB, and SB re-raises to 12BB, that's a 3-bet.


Edit:

Another thought. SB could very well be punishing dude on the BTN for limping. This is super weak by BTN, so I think that is somewhat relevant to what SB would raise with?

BTN might as well say "oh, hey I have a garbage hand. Even though it folded to me, and I should raise if I play, I'm just gonna rock the open limp here."

That's the way I think anyways. Like I may raise in SB in this spot, just to take control.
 
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Yep sorry guys my bad. I've been fighting a brutal head cold. I'm not playing at the moment because of it and I almost didn't comment here because of it too. Probably should keep my mouth shut while my head feels like a Zeppelin.
 
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I'd call pre also, but I am only looking for two things to happen on the after the flop and if those two things don't happen I am just looking for the door out. First I want a flush draw to flop, I am ignoring any Axx flop. Top pair, whatever kicker is only worse in cash games to air. Secondly, I am only looking to get to showdown with zero pushback. I am not betting, not even a c-bet, I just want to get to showdown for free and if that doesn't happen I am out. ATs OOP Deep stacked is not a hand I will play any other way. People get all excited over a pair of A's, those people are fish. Period. In a tourney, different story all together.
 
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