$25 NLHE 6-max: right play against this villain type

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 28/24/42

Hey guys so this hand happened and im wondering why im betting here.... First i thought his range is wide and im raising for a fold. Then i thought perhaps a semi bluff cause i do have value since he attempts to steal 40 percent after about 280 hands. Opinions on play and if my thoughts are correct????

Merge - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $11.89
Hero (BB): $44.36
UTG: $13.36
MP: $25.00
CO: $33.97
BTN: $28.16

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has T:club: A:spade:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.60, fold, Hero raises to $1.90, fold

Hero wins $1.30

It's not exactly a bad thing if he folds to enough 3bets, but you need that stat. I call 90% of the time if i think i can play well enough against the guy OOP, he steals a lot, ATo does well against his range, he will cbet Axx boards always, etc etc, 3betting will force him to only continue with better so its bad on that front, but if you're doing it for a bluff then its fine cause we have blockers, but it only makes sense to me to 3bet it as a bluff if you cant call with it profitably, villain dependent obvs

Check his call 3 bet stat. But I like a call here pre, by raising we are folding out worse and only leaving better to call. Assuming his opening range from the button is say Kxs, Ax, 22-AA, Q10+, and lower connector hands (Im not a 6max player but i think roughly this). If we flat here we are ahead of a lot of his range and dominate more than we are dominated.

By raising we usually fold out everything but AJ+, KQ, 1010-AA, now our hand is far behind and never dominates our opponents range but is often dominated. We would then be playing a 3 bet pot OOP knowing we are behind our opponents percieved range.

Never thought of it like that i just assumed i was ahead... hes a reg and pretty crazy calls 3bets with S/C smalles i have seen is 76. Interesting ill keep that in mind in the future..

youregoodmate said:

by raising we are folding out worse and only leaving better to call. Assuming his opening range from the button is say Kxs, Ax, 22-AA, Q10+, and lower connector hands (Im not a 6max player but i think roughly this). If we flat here we are ahead of a lot of his range and dominate more than we are dominated.

By raising we usually fold out everything but AJ+, KQ, 1010-AA, now our hand is far behind and never dominates our opponents range but is often dominated. We would then be playing a 3 bet pot OOP knowing we are behind our opponents percieved range.

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^ This.

if hes folding to a lot of 3bets, look to 3b other hands so that if he calls, he doesnt dominate your range. hands like 22-66 and sc's do well here.
keep in mind he has to be folding to a lot of your 3bs though

jchoop said:

^ This.

if hes folding to a lot of 3bets, look to 3b other hands so that if he calls, he doesnt dominate your range. hands like 22-66 and sc's do not do well here, Axs and Kxs and the occasional sc'er do better.
keep in mind he has to be folding to a lot of your 3bs though

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fyp

rodgbaby said:

Never thought of it like that i just assumed i was ahead... hes a reg and pretty crazy calls 3bets with S/C smalles i have seen is 76. Interesting ill keep that in mind in the future..

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If he is calling 3bets with SC'ers and stuff, then his call 3bet will be super high in which 3betting AT for value is fine

jchoop said:

hands like 22-66 and sc's do well here.

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Yep 22-66 definitely do not do well to 3 bet... enjoy seeing 3 overcards

youregoodmate said:

Yep 22-66 definitely do not do well to 3 bet... enjoy seeing 3 overcards

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you arent 3betting for value... this is an example of hands to add to a polarised 3b range as your air combos.... am i totally wrong here? ill trust acky that Axs/Kxs are better but hmm i though your low pairs worked. oh well, here to learn

acky100 said:

fyp

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youregoodmate said:

Yep 22-66 definitely do not do well to 3 bet... enjoy seeing 3 overcards

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Acky i completely disagree. How is 3b bluffing with Axs, Kxs > 3b bluffing with low PPs ever?

If villain is folding to a lot of 3bets, we should be 3betting a polarised range of value hands and air.

2 suited cards flop a flush draw 1/9 times. hand then has an 18% chance per street post flop to improve to a flush.
Compare that with a PP. They flop sets, what, ~1/7.5 times. hand is instantly nutted when it does. no need to draw, and its very well disguisted- meaning we have a better chance of being paid off.

So applying this to a shorthanded, 25NL game, we are OOP with one of 2 3b bluffing type hands.

1. We 3bet bluff Axs/Kxs:
We flop a FD less often that wed flop a set. Say we do flop a FD. we make a standard Cbet and villain;
a) folds. Awesome, but super unlikely vs his tight calling vs 3b range.
b) calls. Turn comes down blank. Now what? We have to shove imo or prepare to x3 barrel. But neither of these are really good options unless we have a solid read that were being floated, because vils call 3b range is so tight, and even tighter once hes called the flop barrel.
c) raises. We have to fold or shove. If we shove, we only get called by hands that crush us, and we have very low fold equity vs a villain that is tight calling 3bets, and then willing to raise a flop.
Im of the opinion that firing a Cbet when we miss the flop vs this villain type is -EV cos were getting called more often than not. When hand gets checked down like this, we lose w/ a worse A high.

Alternatively, we flop a pair with our A, K, or raggy x. What the fk do we do now? A villiain whose folding to a lot of 3bets pre will have a positionally dependent continuing vs 3b range of like TT+, AQs+, AK. So not only are we dominated on that board generally, but weve forced ourselves to playing into a range crushing us when were OOP.


2. We 3bet bluff 22-66:
We flop a set more often than a FD. If we make our set, were most certainly firing a Cbet off, villain;
a) folds. Not at all likely. his range is super strong.
b) calls. We can happily barrel every street and were good here virtually always.
c) raises. We can get it in happily and virtually always ahead.
When we miss our set and hand happens to get checked down were taking the pot most times because were up against A high.

in addition to this, there are wayyyy less combos of 22-66 than Axs/Kxs, so our 3b range will be a ton more balanced.