$25 NLHE 6-max: QQ vs a preflop 3 bet

$25 NL HE 6-max: QQ vs a preflop 3 bet

My last session involved two hands that were pretty similar, just looking for feedback as I am new to 6 max.
Starting stack $18
QQ in MP I raise to $.84
Villian on button 36/27 makes it $3.50
his 3bet was also 6.
I feel folding not an option, calling leaves my nose open. So I reraise all in. He insta calls and flip over AA.
Cooler?, or me being to aggro pf with QQ. are there any other real options. Flop was 469 rainbow, so probably losing stack then anyway.

Second hand, different table,
QQ utg raise to $.75
Villan, first hand at table makes it $2.75. folds around, I shove $17.25 he calls flips over AA.
Here I felt his first hand, combined with my bad position, with the hopes that he had AK,AQ,10s down he would call/fold worse hand.
Again, cooler or bad play? Not to sure how to play QQ,JJ preflop when facing 3bet by player who has pos.
Thanks

QQ is a shove
JJ is a fold.

QQ is ahead but only slightly so do expect to lose almost as many times as you win.

When you look at narrow ranges and 6% is narrow your 4bet or shove has very little fold equity (40 ish %) which is too little to expect the play is profitable on its own. As the 3bet range is narrow the villians 5 bet shove or call shove range is even narrower (it isnt the entire 3bet range it is something a bit narrower) I would suggest assigning a 3.0% range to his "all in range" which is JJ+ AK

A 3.5% range includes TT but really dosent change much. What is "padding out" a range after 3% is hands like small PP and Aces which tend to get folded to a 4bet.

I think people are getting really confused with ranges because of pokerstove.

Whats happening is you put in a 6% range and a hand like JJ and say "well I;m slightly ahead so I get it in"

In reality pokerstove is only correct if all the money goes in at this point against this range. What actually happens is the 4bet narrows the range you are getting it in against. If you take out all of the hands that look "a bit silly" you will always end up with a range that dominates you. You really need the villian to be getting it win with hands like AJ to be up against a range you are ahead of with JJ.

What this means in laymans terms is this. 3bets are hugely profitable, you are against a wide range and have significant fold equity so 3betting is very profitable.

However 4bets need to be successfull 65% of the time to be profitable. A 4bet is always made against a fairly narrow range and this range is usually too narrow for it to show success via fold equity. A 4bet usually folds out enough hands that its not profitable to get it in with less than QQ and that play isnt very profitable (its +ev but not by all that much) so do expect to loose fairly often after getting it in with QQ.

thanks for the response, so I am clear, getting it in with QQ was ok in that spot because if I 4 bet i would have put basically all of my stack in and that would make folding pf the wrong play, so The all in 4bet adds in some fold equity to make the play marginally profitable?

Boltpoker said:

thanks for the response, so I am clear, getting it in with QQ was ok in that spot because if I 4 bet i would have put basically all of my stack in and that would make folding pf the wrong play, so The all in 4bet adds in some fold equity to make the play marginally profitable?

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No the fold equity actually works against you.

ok, so unless i have a read on this guy the shove is slightly profitable, but not because of fold equity. I just felt foldig was to nitty, and and because of my stack size I only had one move. just trying to wrap my head around this

i appreciate the help

Yeah basically if you had zero fold equity the shove would be more profitable