$25 NLHE 6-max: QQ facing shove on J high board

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 36/18/3

Hi guys played an interesting hand at 25NL 6 max and would like some feedback on the way to approach the hand.

Villain (CO) $29.45 - VP:36 PFR:18 AF:3.0 W:67|100 STL:0| 3B:25| CB:100| N:32.39 hands:11

Hero (BTN) $23.84 - VP:18 PFR:11 AF:2.4 W:32|38 STL:26|79 3B:0|50 CB:88|0 N:-30.23 Hands:125



Pre Flop: Hero (BTN) with Q:diamond: Q:club:

P1(UTG) folds, P2(MP) folds, P3(CO) calls 0.25, Hero(BTN) raises 1, P5(SB) folds, P6(BB) calls 0.75, Villain(CO) raises 4.85, Hero(BTN) calls 4.10, P6(BB) folds


Flop: J:diamond: 2:spade: T:club: (2 players)
Villain (CO) bets 24.35, Hero ???


Given that I don't have much info on villain "only 11 hands tracked" usually a limp raise indicates KK or AA 90% of the time when initiated by a weaker player and given that good players do not limp with premium holdings since they are seeking value I am assuming that villain is somewhat weak. My question here is could you possibly get away from this hand against an unknown presumably weak player in this spot?

Well preflop, I would get away already. I believe hes holding either AA or KK.

Lets say we call preflop. I think he got the goods. I dont think he has AJ. He might even possibly holds TT or JJ. I think im beat and folds on the spot.

Well the 3b size is sickening. 20x. Prob fold pre. There is some chance he is tryign to rep AA/KK with some trash he limped because he got pissed you raised him. Never know with these guys..

Fold in utter and absolute disgust at the fact that you have to fold a premium to a limp 3bettard

To expand on what tohos said, if you think his line shows AA or KK 90% of the time, then why did you call his c/r? Because QQ looks pretty isn't enough reason. What else?

tohos said:

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Fold in utter and absolute disgust at the fact that you have to fold a premium to a limp 3bettard

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yea...

hffjd2000 said:

Well preflop, I would get away already. I believe hes holding either AA or KK.

Lets say we call preflop. I think he got the goods. I dont think he has AJ. He might even possibly holds TT or JJ. I think im beat and folds on the spot.

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not an issue we have implied odds to stack him

Arjonius said:

To expand on what tohos said, if you think his line shows AA or KK 90% of the time, then why did you call his c/r? Because QQ looks pretty isn't enough reason. What else?

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Because of implied odds but just couldn't get away from a low board ...

LeGenie said:

Because of implied odds but just couldn't get away from a low board ...

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You're calling 4.10 with less than 19 behind. How does this represent enough implied odds?

Shove pre-flop?

I'm not sure what is going on in this hand, tbh.

limp, bet, 3bet, call?
Flop: shove?

What was your game plan for the flop? Call and hope that an A or a K doesn't hit? What then. I just don't understand it.

I hate folding QQ to a limp raise here, yeah maybe it is AA, but calling a 3bet is not the right answer. If you are trying to set mine (wtf) then you really need to have 12x the cost of calling in stacks behind to make that profitable over time.

If I have QQ and someone is limp/raising me I think I just shove. Folding is okay too. Calling is no good.

Arjonius said:

You're calling 4.10 with less than 19 behind. How does this represent enough implied odds?

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5:1 to stack him a very high % plus the odds we are getting preflop

rumsey182 said:

5:1 to stack him a very high % plus the odds we are getting preflop

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The post you replied to citing pot odds assumed AA or KK 90% of the time. QQ is about a 9:1 dog vs this range while the pot is only laying 5:1.

Even if we assume QQ is a 9:1 favorite the other 10%, the overall odds remain worse than 5:1.

While you can argue with the 90% assumption, my comments was based on what he said, in which case it's a clear fold.

I don't know if I agree with the limp, re-raise from bad players being AA/KK 90% of the time. At least when I played, it would happen a high % of the time (not 90% though. I'd see all sorts of stupid hands in there also), but when you have someone like this, and you only have 11 hands, but 25% 3-bet, limp re-raising big... this guy is fing around. I'm not sure I'd give him any credit, and I'd probably stack off on the flop.