$25 NLHE 6-max: QQ 3bet pot. Turn decision

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$25 NL HE 6-max: QQ 3bet pot. Turn decision

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 24/20/2

Stacks:
* BTN with $27.42
* SB with $27.46
* BB with $11.70
* UTG with $5.00
* MP with $34.94
* CO with $25.77

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Site: party poker
* * UTG Leon 5 raises [$0.85 USD]
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero raises [$3.10 USD]
* * 3 players fold.
* * UTG Leon 5 calls [$2.25 USD]
* * Total folds this street: 4
* * Potsize: $5.7
Flop:
* * 5♥ 2♣ J♣
* * UTG Leon 5 checks
* * Hero bets [$4.50 USD]
* * UTG Leon 5 calls [$4.50 USD]
* * Potsize: $14.7
Turn:
* * K♠
* * UTG Leon 5 checks

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I'm not being results orientated, but on reviewing my session earlier, the result just made me ask questions about whether I played it correctly. I have left the result out obviously, it really isn't important.

UTG is a Tag, I have 1.6k hands on him, so a decent sample. He plays 24/20 pre flop so I guess he is bordering on loose. The point is he isn't playing any old junk.

He raise 9% UTG. So something like any Pocket pair AK-AJ Something else of note, he 3 bets like a monkey. 12.2 % He also 4 bets 4.8% which is also pretty high. He doesn't fold to 3 bets often 30%

That is why I chose to 3 bet him. I knew there was a chance he would 4 bet, but I was willing to stack off against someone that loose. I considered flatting and outplaying him pre flop, but I just felt a 3 bet was better given the situation.

The flop

He checks, pretty standard bet, possibly could have bet more, he has a pretty high check raise stat. 13% So I was half expecting that, but he flats it.

The turn.

On looking back on this hand history, I think I made the wrong choice, the king is obviously a scare card, but perhaps it shouldn't be. when i thought about it what hands are in his range now?

I dont see AA and KK showing up here, I checked back and he hadn't flatted them to a 3 bet before (or at least he never went to showdown doing so) He is almost certainly 4 betting those, as well as AK, JJ, and probably 10 10, which doesn't really make any difference anyway.

He is less likely to Have KQ, because I have to of the Queens, which only leaves KJ that just drew out on me. I would say his range is soley AJ or medium to low PP that floated the flop. I didn't think this at the time, I just though OMG it's a king.

So do you check or bet here ?
 
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I think the HH is botched - you've got QQ, right? And I'm pretty sure the stack sizes are inaccurate. Looks like an interesting hand, and I'm interested in strategies involving players with these stats

The K strikes me as a scare card, I like leading the turn 2/3 pot, I think, though the stack sizes are important.
 
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Yes thanks for pointing that out. Something is wrong there. It is on full tilt for one thing, and UTG was full stacked. Ill sort the HH out, but you can assume he was full stacked.

Now I look at it, 3/4 of the pot is exactly what I should have done. I checked behind like a big girl. It is an interesting hand though. I love poker, it works the brain :D
 
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Stacks:
BTN with $27.42
SB with $27.46
BB with $11.70
UTG with $30.82
MP with $34.94
CO with $25.77

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Site: Party Poker
Dealt to CO:Q♥ Q♠
Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
UTG Leon 5 raises [$0.85 USD]
1 players fold.
Hero raises [$3.10 USD]
3 players fold.
UTG Leon 5 calls [$2.25 USD]
Total folds this street: 4
Potsize: $5.7
Flop:
5♥ 2♣ J♣
UTG Leon 5 checks
Hero bets [$4.50 USD]
UTG Leon 5 calls [$4.50 USD]
Potsize: $14.7
Turn:
K♠
UTG Leon 5 checks
Hero checks
Potsize: $14.7
River:
7♥
UTG Leon 5 checks
Hero checks


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Not sure what is going on, it got the stack size of the villain wrong again, and it is on full tilt not party. Not that, that matters. I edited Villains stack myself anyway.
 
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I think youre betting this turn for about $8. He could be floating with you a lot of mid pps 66 - 10s and just waiting to see what you do on the turn. I dont see the K helping much of his range that is floating the flop OOP.
 
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I agree with cjay, around $8 - this leaves us around $10, so I assume we're without a doubt calling a shove on the turn, or shoving the river if Villain just calls the turn no matter what card hits the river...
 
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In the future use this converter http://www.stoxpoker.com/hand_history_converter/.

CC has alot of awsome stuff, the HH converter is unfortunetly not one of them imo.


Thank you.

Think we all agree that I got it wrong. It is just a case of getting the same thought proccess during a hand that I have when I study them later.

He had 77. Sucked out on the river. That isn't important really. What made me laugh was when he hit, he never bet the river.
 
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I agree with cjay, around $8 - this leaves us around $10, so I assume we're without a doubt calling a shove on the turn, or shoving the river if Villain just calls the turn no matter what card hits the river...
Surly we cant stack on Ac rivers? or any A river for that matter.

The board is drawy and villain kinda plays this like a draw so i actualy dont mind betting here,
but if villain has a high river Agression factor i would be more inclined to check back for both pot control and hope he bluffs at us on the river(obvs sucks if c or A hits).
AJ and the FD are probably still calling a turn bet and might bet the river but i think where folding out such a big part of his range where ahead of if we double barrel.


Edit: ah didnt see your second post included river action so this one is just refering to the OP.
Even knowing the results i think i still check back turn and then bet the 7 river.
 
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Sindri, I get your point, a broadway club on the river does look like he's hit his draw, as well as possibly making a higher pair/two pair - however, I hate putting in $8, creating a $30 pot with $10 behind, then c/f the river - if I think that's a possibility when planning the turn bet, I see the logic in checking behind - I'm torn though, I don't like checking that turn card behind, because I do think it's a scare card, and if I made the $8 turn bet I feel like I'm already committed to playing my stack... :eek:

What do you guys think? Check the turn behind, or bet the turn with a possible c/f on the river, or something else?
 
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I'd say you need to what you want him to do if you raised or checked.
If you want him to fold then you bet 2/3 or more. If he doesn't then he'll probably check the river again and you get a cheaper showdown.
If you want him to stay to catch something if you happen to have the nuts you check. The right move is always what you want him/her to do.

Do you happen to have this guy's AF number?
 
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AF is 2. Not sure about river AF because I'm not on my own computer right now, will let you know though.
 
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