$25 NLHE 6-max: Opening AA from CO and BTN calls

Merge - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $35.42 31/9 over 35 hands; Fold to Cbet =3/4 times; Fold to Steal =2/5 times
SB: $6.35
BB: $25.00
UTG: $10.55
MP: $10.66
Hero (CO): $32.55

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A♠ A♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.35, 3 players) 8♣ 6♦ T♣
BB checks, Hero bets $2.35, BTN calls $2.35, fold

Turn: ($7.05, 2 players) A♥
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, Hero raises to $12.86, BTN raises to $32.32 and is all-in, Hero ???


My thoughts:
PF: (woo hoo Aces!) Standard raise. Fishy BTN calls; could have anything
F: Standard cbet. BTN calls. Hmmm? Caught a set? Flush draw with Axs? Pair with connectors like JT, 89?
T: Not worried about sets anymore! Flush draw missed. Time to turn up the aggression because I'm on a high from set of aces. Go for the old check raise...BTN comes over the top and is AI!! Now what does this mean? Fish will raise with something. But something could be top pair, two pair, lower set.
What's your thinking process on this turn?

snap call...his range his much more than 79 and even if he flopped a straight (if he even is calling pre with 79) you have about 20% equity to beat a straight on the river. He would be doing this with 66/88/TT/AT/A8/A6 and maybe worse.

I prefer leading turn for value.

As played, snap call fist pump turn for the reasons sori mentioned. We have 2nd nuts and we are way way way ahead of villain's range.

Why did you check the turn?

Why did you post this hand? Once you turned top set and villain shoved there is zero reason to "think" about the hand. Call.

BTW if villain had 97 I'm moving it to BBC unless it was JC (since he said 97 was his favorite hand).

I dunno... I like the C/R on the turn.

Still a call on the river though.

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JusSumguy said:

I dunno... I like the C/R on the turn.

Still a call on the river though.

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You like it because he bet, but the chances he'll call if we bet but will check behind if we don't are WAY too great to make checking the turn the best move. We should be betting a turned Ace almost any time we take this line (PFR/cbet) so we damn sure better be betting the turn when we have the absolute top of our range,

WVHillbilly said:

Why did you check the turn?

Why did you post this hand? Once you turned top set and villain shoved there is zero reason to "think" about the hand. Call.

BTW if villain had 97 I'm moving it to BBC unless it was JC (since he said 97 was his favorite hand).

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I posted because I want to get feedback on my thought process and actions.

Maybe this is an obvious line of thinking, but to me it isn't or I wouldn't have posted.

Ok so what did he have? I would offer advice if I thought it would be useful but others have already said "snap call and fist pump" so yeah..

nabmom said:

I posted because I want to get feedback on my thought process and actions.

Maybe this is an obvious line of thinking, but to me it isn't or I wouldn't have posted.

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What could your thought process be beyond "I have the virtual nuts and some schmuck just put me all in. Call!"???

You've been playing cash long enough to know you're never doing anything other than calling when he shoves. Other than betting again on the turn, you played the hand fine.

Sorry he had 97?

nabmom/debpes, I'm not sure if you currently use it, but if you pokerstove a range of any hands villain could conceivably have including TPGK and up (as you identified in your original post) you will see you have like 90%+ equity in this hand. When you have the decision on the turn as played, you need to put in another $16 to win a $65 pot. As long as you have better than about 27% equity to win the hand based on your opponent's perceived range, then the call will always be profitable.

WVHillbilly said:

What could your thought process be beyond "I have the virtual nuts and some schmuck just put me all in. Call!"???

You've been playing cash long enough to know you're never doing anything other than calling when he shoves. Other than betting again on the turn, you played the hand fine.

Sorry he had 97?

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lol, quality

I'm thinking, "WOW, really?"

The only thing this monkey could have that beats me is 97. If I'm putting that in his range (might as well) then I have to work up from there and include everything on top of that. Well I crush everything else on top of that so maybe I am looking at dodging one of seven clubs on the river? Well I'm 86% on that so - yup, I gotta call. If he does have 97 I still have 10 outs myself. He liked that A on the turn so much, maybe he has me on a big A (which the flop totally missed) and hit a set too - well that would be awesome.
CALL - every calculation equals CALL.

And I don't mind the check on the turn so much - but I never would have done it - value bet at least. You still have draws out there - don't just hand it to him.

I assume he either had the 97, or rivered you for a flush or quads or we would not be talking about this?

I call 9-7 of clubs. Now please tell us

WVHillbilly said:

What could your thought process be beyond "I have the virtual nuts and some schmuck just put me all in. Call!"???

You've been playing cash long enough to know you're never doing anything other than calling when he shoves. Other than betting again on the turn, you played the hand fine.

Sorry he had 97?

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I concede! Yes, the villain had 97o. I just couldn't believe it.

Pretty sick hand.

Check/raise ott is a pretty big leak imo. Based off op you presume you have the nuts (since 97 is not in vil range). A check/raise that size is certainly repping the nuts (or a hand like AAA or AK etc.). Your losing value from a lot of hands that you have, not just dominated, but dead.

I think when you're opening for 3x and not 5-8x like a lot of the maniac regs you should be prepared for atc. Which also makes potting it otf excessive in most cases.

fwiw obv were showing down the 2nd nuts 100% of. the time

Well I just wasted a minute of my life reading this thread...

Can anyone analyse this hand I had. I had aces, he had kings, we got it in pre and he won...

youregoodmate said:

Well I just wasted a minute of my life reading this thread...

Can anyone analyse this hand I had. I had aces, he had kings, we got it in pre and he won...

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Then you wasted another minute writing this.....

@OP: NH. Lead OTT next time.

Yes, it was a sick beat.

But I didn't post it because of that. I posted because I wanted to understand if my thinking and assessment of the opponent's range made sense and whether my actions were optimal. Sometimes I think I'm a decent player. Sometimes I think that I'm missing important cues in a hand (and if I didn't, I'd be a better player). Always I know I have lots to learn. So I don't take anything for granted, even "obvious" decisions.

I have learned from posting this that
1) I should have bet the turn (seems unanimous) and I'm glad I posted so I can correct that leak. My thanks to those who took the time to respond in a meaningful way.
2) Some members of CC hate this thread. So be it. I'm still going to keep asking my questions.

nabmom said:

Yes, it was a sick beat.

But I didn't post it because of that. I posted because I wanted to understand if my thinking and assessment of the opponent's range made sense and whether my actions were optimal. Sometimes I think I'm a decent player. Sometimes I think that I'm missing important cues in a hand (and if I didn't, I'd be a better player). Always I know I have lots to learn. So I don't take anything for granted, even "obvious" decisions.

I have learned from posting this that
1) I should have bet the turn (seems unanimous) and I'm glad I posted so I can correct that leak. My thanks to those who took the time to respond in a meaningful way.
2) Some members of CC hate this thread. So be it. I'm still going to keep asking my questions.

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+1

This is how i play that hand
Open x3, bet/bet/call off vils shove, sigh, type "must be nice" in chatbox, sit out and go for a smoke

JCgrind said:

This is how i play that hand
Open x3, bet/bet/call off vils shove, sigh, type "must be nice" in chatbox, sit out and go for a smoke

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FU




(Wish I still smoked)

There are so many hands besides 79 he would play this way; so, getting it in is obviously correct.

The question that remains is the turn bet compared to the check raise. I think it depends alot on how he'll play mediocre hands such as: middle pair + draw, FDs, midpair no draw. If he is inclined to bet those you will gain alot of EV with a check raise and diminish his EV oppurtunity. IF he takes alot of free cards, I bet to avoid his correct turn check.

nabmom said:

My thoughts:
PF: (woo hoo Aces!) Standard raise. Fishy BTN calls; could have anything
F: Standard cbet. BTN calls. Hmmm? Caught a set? Flush draw with Axs? Pair with connectors like JT, 89?
T: Not worried about sets anymore! Flush draw missed. Time to turn up the aggression because I'm on a high from set of aces. Go for the old check raise...BTN comes over the top and is AI!! Now what does this mean? Fish will raise with something. But something could be top pair, two pair, lower set.
What's your thinking process on this turn?
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I like the pf raise size and the flop CB. I don't like the turn check for reasons already mentioned. The call is manditory but we can dispense with the fist pump. Weak players bluff the river when they miss their draws, they DO NOT bluff the turn; it just doesn't happen. So his turn shove represents a hand that he thinks is the best, 2 pair or better. Of course 79 is in his range but as played I would be likely to believe that the turned Ace improved his hand (I'd be wrong) and so hands like AT, A8, A6 should carry more weight despite there being only 9 combinations available. But even if he was slow playing a flopped set, 2 pair or straight were talking about 45 hands that we crush vs 9 that have us beat but we still have decent equity against. It's a call.

Just curious. What was it about the way he played the hand that allowed you to rule out sets but not a straight?

I don't think she ruled out sets, just that now she beats them so she's no longer worried about them.