$25 NLHE 6-max: middle set facing x/r from reg on turn deep, action?

Me and villian have quite a bit of history; I've managed to stack him once and I've been 3betting a ton pre. I'm running 38/34,with a 8% 3B pre, over 140 hands vs him and he's running 30/29, 10% 3B. I've not just been playing absolutely crazy and I've been dealt a few good hands to. He 5bet shoved on me bvb with A5o and luckily I had AA, which held but that gives an idea of the aggressive dynamic between us.


Given all that, I can't ever be fearful of a slow played AA I don't think, although it's possible. Now; villain does and has been flatting in and out of position with a wide range of hands; so when he x/r the turn was bizarre just given how much of a brick the turn was. (Unless he's flatting OOP with 34 and calling a flop (unlikely).


Because of the aggression with our previous hands and how deep we currently are. We have 170BB in the middle already once he raises the turn and 150BB remaining in villians stack. What is the best line to maximize our value here? Is just calling his raise the best line with the intention of calling any river card, even if he's raising all his range of hands; bluffs/semibluffs/value hands. I feel we can't fold any river if he shoves; so another option is can we just get it in here although we give him the option of folding some bluffs and some worse hands or again, just call the turn and call any river bet and keep some bluffs in, some worse "value" hands; (22,55)two pairs etc?



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saw flop | saw showdown

SB ($50.84)
BB ($25)
UTG ($34.46)
MP ($37.42)
CO ($67.89)
Hero (Button) ($116.63)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q , Q
1 fold, MP bets $0.75, CO calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.25, 3 folds, CO calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.60) Q , 5 , A (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4

Turn: ($15.60) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO raises to $20, Hero ?

I am a lower level player, but if I was him I would consider your flatting to be a stronger line than shoving exactly because you are obviously not looking for fold equity. But I have been accused (justly) of overthinking things.

Of course this assumes he views you like someone who actually thinks about things.

Ok... This is an interesting spot. But I highly doubt he had 34 here. I also doubt he has AA. In this spot I'm flatting and calling any river. I know I have made plays like he's making here with absolute air, to get a solid player with a good hand to kick it in. I will tell u, it has worked many times and overall the float the flop and re raise the turn option is a very good weapon. I think you got a guy here who is trying to push u off AK type of hands. If he shoves... I'm defo getting the money in on the river. The hands that beat u don't really make sense here. So I'm flatting the turn and also probably flatting the river

Im trying to inflate the pot as fast as possible on the turn, you beat to many hands to simply worry about AA and 34, he could have a weaker set or some two pair combo, that would likely stack off. Get it in, if you lose chalk it up to a cooler.

I am going to guess flush draw.

I would just ship there because I have been running bad and he would hit a flush or a gs on riv vs me. But if I was running good I would call and get it all in on any river. If you call he will continue with the bluff I believe.

As for range I believe it might be something like this: A2, A3, A4, A5, AT, AJ, AQ, AK (TP and a fd I would raise myself), 55 and 22 , that's it. Don't think he has naked bluffs here or 34 for that matter, and if he does have 34 we are still going to make a full boat like once in a while (not a numbers guy).

forsakenone said:

I would just ship there because I have been running bad and he would hit a flush or a gs on riv vs me. But if I was running good I would call and get it all in on any river. If you call he will continue with the bluff I believe.

As for range I believe it might be something like this: A2, A3, A4, A5, AT, AJ, AQ, AK (TP and a fd I would raise myself), 55 and 22 , that's it. Don't think he has naked bluffs here or 34 for that matter, and if he does have 34 we are still going to make a full boat like once in a while (not a numbers guy).

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20% by the river.

I am a numbers guy.

i like calling and putting the rest in on the river...any river.

fold pre.



LOL(joking of course). call and shove any river is my opinion. whatever he had on the flop,he probably has on the turn. low straights are highly unlikely. So unlikely that its worth calling any shove with any river card.

Let's just break this down as simply as possible:

When he flats MP raise, any reg knows he is opening himself up to a squeeze from a reg. Your play looks exactly like a potential squeeze, so we can open his range, but by virtue of him calling twice (second OOP) we can cut out a lot of premiums in his range. I'm putting his preflop range on roughly 67s-QJs, A10s, AJ, 2s-9s. If he has AA and just out-leveled us that hard, oh well.

Flop is highly bet-able by your range. We can expect villain to just fold out any of his flop range that whiffed, so on the c/c let's narrow his range to A10/AJ, 5s, club draws. A low club draw makes a lot of sense because he's not eager to raise you here and get 3 bet big. A10/AJ has a decent amount of equity versus your c-bet range, so a call also makes sense.

Turn is super blanky and he decides to raise your somewhat small bet. I may actually expand V's range to include something like A2-A5s, in which case it's possible he hit 2 pair and wants to get value. It's a really small raise with a FD to expect you to fold anything but air, which he could barrel the river with, so I'm not putting him on that. AJ/A10 probably call again for show down value. I'm putting V on 5s, or perhaps two pair.

The real question here is, even if I'm entirely wrong about his range, how do we get most value. If V has air or draws on the c/r he is shutting down any blank river once you flat. Flatting looks SUPER strong. I expect him to fold all marginal hands to our river shove also (AJ/A10, etc). The real question is, how often does V think you can re-raise here with bluffs? If you think he is capable of folding A2/A5, flat and re-evaluate river. He's never getting away from 5s.

Altogether, I think we should be shoving this raise. If he does show up with a FD, we stand to steal equity. If he tanks and folds the 2 pair, we found a bluffable spot in the future. If he has the 34, oh well, at least we still have outs.

Bet more on the flop and the turn. We want to set ourselves up to get stacks in. Not to mention deep in position on a wetboard we should always be betting huge. Small c-bets in 3bet pots go out the window when we're deep.

As played call turn. Your line looks super weak as your sizing is so small and his line makes no sense so turning a weak pair in to a bluff, manning up with a weak flush draw or light value makes the most sense. Even if his line was strong we're doing great against his value range. AA is unlikely to flat pre 34s is unlikely to call OOP both pre and ob the flop. Lets hope he shoves a brick river. If he doesn't we'll do it for him and look like a busted flush draw if the flush doesn't come in.

Thanks for replies guys.

I took a x/c line to try induce a bluff or worse value hand shove. River was a blank, he shoved I called he turned over 3,4. Unlucky I guess but I just wanted to see which the best line was and I think most think the x/c line is best.