$25 NLHE 6-max: low pair facing river push

$25 NL HE 6-max: low pair facing river push

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 24/21/3.3

Stacks:
* SB with $25.10
* BB with $36.05
* UTG with $25.00
* MP with $15.39
* CO with $27.96
* BTN with $68.31




Site: party poker
* * Dealt to UTG:5♥ 5♠
* * Sklansky group 6
Preflop:
* * Hero raises [$1 USD]
* * MP calls [$1 USD]
* * 1 players fold.
* * BTN calls [$1 USD]
* * 2 players folded.
* * Total folds this street: 3
* * Potsize: $3.35
Flop:
* * 2♥ 3♥ J♦
* * Hero bets [$2.39 USD]
* * 3 players fold.
* * BTN calls [$2.39 USD]
* * Total folds this street: 1
* * Potsize: $8.13
Turn:
* * J♠
* * Hero bets [$3.86 USD]
* * BTN raises [$7.75 USD]
* * Hero calls [$3.89 USD]
* * Potsize: $23.63
River:
* * 6♦
* * Hero checks
* * BTN bets [$22.45 USD]
* * Hero ????


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This hand came up tonight, Just wondered what you'd do here on the river or in the hand in general. I believe i played it well but had a tough river decision. Missed draw or made hand. Had 1.3K hands on villain. He's a solid player and knows what he's doing.

Check-fold turn, fold river...are you really good here more than 20% of the time?

So just one person has a view on this?

I thought it was a good hand to discuss playing a small pocket pair when the turn pairs the board with the highest card.

IMO i can now bet for value, if im called again i can figure villian on maybe a J but more so a higher pair than my 55's

When he raises i see no other reason than a flush draw. If he had a hand he could easily still get stacks in on the river.

The river push just doesn't fit any pp trying to get to show down as i called the min raise on the turn. He can't have 10s + because he never 3 bet.

So if you really analyse the hand you can see that actually in a spot where you think your beat your actually a favourite.

Had he just called my turn bet and then pushed the river id be more inclined to fold.

Any other ideas on this?

He called pre-flop, which imo makes his range at least 40% PP's (without more reads than that he's 24/21).
The flop has a FD, but his unpaired hands almost never hit it. Take AK as an example, he has AKs 1/4 of the time and when he has that he hits the FD less than 1/4 of the time. Of course, the lower down from AK we go (which is more likely since he didn't 3bet pre-flop) the more likely it is to be suited but the odds are still a long way against it.

When he calls the flop we have to consider how often he floats, since it wasn't mentioned I'm assuming it's not out of the ordinary. We can then probably give him a range of all pocket pairs, JT+, most non-FD overcards, overcards with FD.

So already I'm thinking pair over pair is likely and his air all has a good draw against us. IP I might get creative but OOP I'm done with this hand.

Turn min-raise is scary as hell here.
More often than not he hit trips, wants to charge draws but there are so few hands that can call him that he's uncomfortable betting more. At least, that's the way I see his min-raise.
His range also loses all of his non-flushdraw overcards so his range of unpaired cards is tiny.
I'm expecting to see a bigger pocket pair or J the majority of the time.

River is kind of pointless because I ran away scared on the flop or turn.

I usually don't play small PP UTG, even in 6 max. You get yourself into a lot of these situations where you're out of position against an overcard or two and it's difficult to tell where you're at. I think it requires very good post-flop skills and a good sense of your opponents to play small PP UTG and I rarely do it in 6 max.

I might have c/r the turn here to see where I was at, but then again I wouldn't have played 55 from UTG.

BenLZ said:

I usually don't play small PP UTG, even in 6 max.

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BenLZ said:

I might have c/r the turn here to see where I was at

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lol im sorry just had to.Hope u dont hate me know.



As for the hand, i dont mind barreling the turn but im defenatly shutting down once raised.
It makes no sense for him to do this with a FDs or that he is gonna be bluffing here alot and that leaves mostly 22-TT and Jx,maybe some randomly slowplayed QQ-AA, non of which we can fold out on river and we only have 2 outs.
Just dont see how where ever good here enough to make calling profitable.

lol im sorry just had to.Hope u dont hate me know.

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This is VERY personal now.

No, you're just critiquing my play, I don't care. I'm open to discussion.

The thing about a c/r is that I believe it to be the strongest play in poker. I rarely do it with my premium holdings, but if I've got a hand which very well might be the best I'll often c/r to see where I'm at.

It obviously does depend on your read of the opponent. A lot of opponents, at least the ones I play with, won't be folding to standard c-bets and the turn bet isn't even half pot. I wouldn't be c/r all the time here, but if I felt my opponent was trying to float me I might.

A lot of people dislike c/r for information, but through experience it's really important to know where you are in a hand.

Betting/raising for information is burning money. Don't do it and you'll make more money.

Raising any PP from any position in 6max is standard, you're UTG so get some respect from the regs because your range is the nuts or the slightly lesser nuts and against fish your raise isolates and you usually have odds to set mine (but you're using some fold equity too). Usually small PP's are bluffing or folding post-flop, it's only on specific board textures where you really consider that you might be ahead, it's more about cbetting and considering their floating frequency and the board texture than anything.
It's just easy money, people call to set mine against the UTG raiser and give up when they miss. Don't do it with too many hands or your range will be too weak and PP's are good for the job (either you hit a set and play for stacks, or miss and bluff until their range gets too strong).

BenLZ said:

This is VERY personal now.

No, you're just critiquing my play, I don't care. I'm open to discussion.

The thing about a c/r is that I believe it to be the strongest play in poker. I rarely do it with my premium holdings, but if I've got a hand which very well might be the best I'll often c/r to see where I'm at.

It obviously does depend on your read of the opponent. A lot of opponents, at least the ones I play with, won't be folding to standard c-bets and the turn bet isn't even half pot. I wouldn't be c/r all the time here, but if I felt my opponent was trying to float me I might.

A lot of people dislike c/r for information, but through experience it's really important to know where you are in a hand.

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I wouldnt have problem with c/r the turn if we had some read or info that villain is capable of folding 77-AA here but if i dont have such a read i really dont like it.
Yes it gets him of his random overs that floated but in most cases he is folding thouse to a second barrel any way(and even if our hand is vulnurable we dont mind overs floating) so where mostly just folding out air/geting jammed on by better imo.

As for the other stuff, thepokerkid123 summed up my basic thoughts alot better then i ever could, so just a +1 to his entier post.

If i C/r the turn then im telling him i have a flush draw and any made hand is jamming over the top. Also any better flush draw will also be jamming.

Well thats my train of thought.

So the second J is a bad 2 barrel card to bluff but a good one for value. Why would he raise any good holding here when the board looks like it's not hit my range unless i have the nuts or i look like im bluffing off my stack.

I think the min raise is a cheap attempt to get me off my pocket pair, or AK and the jam on the end frustration and ego with his big stack??

anyone else read anything close to this?

to co inside with my last new post.... villain turned over AQh with a missed draw.

Turn call is bad, imo....against his actual hand you have only 68% equity on the turn and you caught him at the bottom of his turn C/R range.