$25 NLHE 6-max: KK BTN vs SB, raised cbet

[PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $25.00
BB: $25.00
UTG: $32.06
Hero (BTN): $25.77

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero has K:club: K:diamond:

fold, Hero raises to $0.55, SB calls $0.45, fold

Flop: ($1.35, 2 players) 8:spade: 5:club: T:diamond:
SB checks, Hero bets $0.75, SB raises to $2.75, Hero calls $2.00

Turn: ($6.85, 2 players) J:heart:
SB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

River: ($15.85, 2 players) 3:spade:
SB bets $7.50, Hero ???

Ok, not sure how correct my line is so far. Preflop my standard raise on the button is always 2.5x. Flop to me seemed like he could just be raising any ten or 8, maybe straight draws or medium pairs, sets and two pairs. Should I have 3bet the flop? Villain is a 20/11/60afq. The turn completed a straight draw and could have given him two pair if he had JT. I still didn't want to fold here because I still felt my over pair could be good. River im stumped on...

What's your reasoning for opening 2.5x?

With respect to the turn getting 'scary' for you, what do you think he has that beats you aside from flopped sets and JT?

If you think he can have turned some 2 pairs here, why aren't we 3betting the flop given we think he c/r stuff like JT?

I'm pretty happy 3betting flop given villain looks like a bad-aggressive postflop fish. He can't have too many sets/2 pairs, and we want to stack his random draws and top pairs before something bad happens on the turn.

I open 2.5x because I can widen my range and have to win less to keep it profitable(i think that was the explanation i was given by someone here at least).

The reason I didn't raise the flop was because if he was raising stuff like AT ,KT,QT,JT or any 8, he'd v-bet himself into the hole and by raising the flop he'd fold out all the hands I beat.

On the turn I don't think he has really anything that beats me other than sets, JT, and 97 for the straight.

mate, why not reraise on the flop, you bet, he raises, why not reraise the guy? or if you want to call and not be so obvious than, on turn when he bets, put the guy all in.

i would have definitely reraise on flop.

bgomez89 said:

I open 2.5x because I can widen my range and have to win less to keep it profitable(i think that was the explanation i was given by someone here at least).

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My point is that you're too concerned with 'stealing' the blinds. You have a fish in the BB who will call often, so bump your sizing up for value. Your main profit from this situation isn't going to come from the blinds folding. It's going to come from villain calling too much, and us having a positional advantage, a skill advantage, and a card advantage.

Keep the 2.5x raises limited to when there are shorties in the blinds, and/or when there are high 3b% players in the blinds, and/or when there are people who fold WAY too often. When you hear about a concept, think about why it would be profitable and against who. Don't just follow it blindly.

bgomez89 said:

The reason I didn't raise the flop was because if he was raising stuff like AT ,KT,QT,JT or any 8, he'd v-bet himself into the hole and by raising the flop he'd fold out all the hands I beat.

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When top pair c/r the flop, they rarely fold. If you cbet with K9s here for ex, and villain c/raises, would you go for a 3bet bluff expecting him to fold AT? Of course not. So when you have an overpair, get the money in before the board gets bad and scares him off.

Also, if villain is aggressive enough to c/r something like 97/Q9/67/8x, he'll at least sometimes be aggressive enough to stack the flop if we put in a 3bet. Draws stack flops LOTS. They don't often stack the turn/river. If it rolls off two bricks, something like 67 is going to shut down, thinking that you'll never fold a flopped TP or an overpair. On the flop, he's thinking "I have outs, and I like to be aggressive". Let him stack.

ChuckTs said:

When top pair c/r the flop, they rarely fold. If you cbet with K9s here for ex, and villain c/raises, would you go for a 3bet bluff expecting him to fold AT? Of course not. So when you have an overpair, get the money in before the board gets bad and scares him off.

Also, if villain is aggressive enough to c/r something like 97/Q9/67/8x, he'll at least sometimes be aggressive enough to stack the flop if we put in a 3bet. Draws stack flops LOTS. They don't often stack the turn/river. If it rolls off two bricks, something like 67 is going to shut down, thinking that you'll never fold a flopped TP or an overpair. On the flop, he's thinking "I have outs, and I like to be aggressive". Let him stack.

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wow great point chuck!

I recently had a hand just like this. I put my villain on a flush draw once the flop hit (I was right unfortunately). Instead of re-popping him on the flop after he check-raised me I called for fear of the ace overcard (I had jacks with K kicker at this point), but then a spade comes on the turn and the first thing I think is "two random spades in his pocket."

Sure enough, check check the turn, and he value bets the river. Any other river would be an easy fold, but this river had to throw a 3rd Jack down and give me a set. I called only to see my initial fear. Q-3 spade suited. If only he had been trying to bet that overcard Ace I thought he had, I would have been fine.

I read through the advice here and I agree with most being said. It's the first stuff I thought of after playing that hand!

If you think your opponent is drawing, simple concept, make him pay to draw out. If he hits it, he deserves what he paid for. If he misses, in the end you will make your money good. More than likely if I had re-popped my villain mentioned above he would have folded to me and I could have avoided losing money.

Good luck.