$25 NLHE 6-max: $ : Out kicked?

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$25 NL HE 6-max: $ : Out kicked?

My biggest fear in poker is being out kicked. I feel like dictated my play to such a considerable extent that I've really tightened up. I don't even like to defend the BB or SB with AT or A9 anymore. Here's a situation where I feel this fear gets the best of me...Please comment, am I being irrational with my kicker fear?

MP is a tight player. Haven't played many hands with him. Seems conservative.

Hero dealt [Ah Jh]

Hero posts SB
BB posts

2 folds.
MP raises to .85.
SB calls.
BB folds.

($2) Flop comes [Ac 2d 8d]

SB checks
BB bets $1.25
SB raises to $3.50

I wanted to do some pot control here - find out where I am early in the hand and send a message to villain that I have something. Instead of just the c/c I wanted to know where I was in the hand, the decision to raise was made more out of fear. I think in this situation I usually just call. I feel my fear of losing to AQ or AK was really dominating my play here.

SB calls $2.25.

Turn is [4d]
SB checks
BB checks

($9) River is [Th]

SB bets $4.50.
BB calls $4.50.

This was some combination of a value bet and a bet to control pot size.

BB turns over AT.
SB mucks.

Comments? This is not my usual line.
 
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C/R flop is bad especially if he's tight...you're wayyyy overrepping your hand.
 
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Imo if you want to play hands like AT or AJ from the blinds you must 3bet preflop that way you can narrow his range down
 
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Imo if you want to play hands like AT or AJ from the blinds you must 3bet preflop that way you can narrow his range down To hands that have us crushed!
IMO.
 
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Not sure if you're agreeing with the 3bet or suggesting to fold in that spot c9
 
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Well, if 3-betting narrows his range down to hands that have us crushed, is this a good thing?
 
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It is never a good thing, we essential win no extra money from hands we beat and lose a ton more when they show up with something.
 
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id disagree to 3 betting, because if he calls were behind and were inflating the pot while were behind.



The calls not bad, even though i hate playing A-J OOP. i like the check/raise on the flop because you find out where u are, he calls so you have to be cautious. His check on the turn should tell you, that he isnt very strong. Id c/c or c/fold the river though, theres a flush out there.
 
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How about folding aj oop against tight players next time. Of course don't fold everyhand a tight player raises but in this case fold
 
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pre's fine, raising flop is bad and calling river is horrible.

when you want to pot control, you don't raise the flop, ldo. raising the flop "for information" is lolbad.
 
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I actually wrote this wrong. The raise came from MP and I was in the SB with AJ, BB shouldn't be in this hand. Just replace BB with MP. IMO, him calling the river was horrible. I made a blocking bet. I usually don't 3bet flops like this, I was multi-tabling, and I'm liking the idea of 3betting pre. I was playing a little cautious since I was underrolled on this site and I wanted to play a smaller pot.
 
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It is never a good thing, we essential win no extra money from hands we beat and lose a ton more when they show up with something.

but if we don't 3bet this OOP how do we know our ace is good or not? What if a jack hits(and its the highest card out there)?
 
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but if we don't 3bet this OOP how do we know our ace is good or not? What if a jack hits(and its the highest card out there)?
Sigh.

A) Our ace is more likely to be good if we don't 3-bet, because his range will contain more weaker aces.
B) If we bloat the pot early in the hand by 3-betting we will commit ourselves to a stack when we stack an ace.
C) We negate our positional advantage by 3-betting.

That's why we don't "raise for information". Because it's "lolbad".
 
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So most of the time I should just be calling a raise with aj when I'm in the blinds?
 
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So most of the time I should just be calling a raise with aj when I'm in the blinds?
The only time you should 3-bet it is if you think your opponent will call a shit-ton of 3-bets with a bunch of bad hands. So if they're going to call with like A6, or JT, then go ahead and 3-bet. And I mean a bunch. For every hand like AQ+, TT+ that they call you with, you're going to need to have them call you with more speculative/dominated hands.
 
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you should have a plan and a good reason for 3-betting. here you have a "tight player" from EP, you could consider folding a lot of the time here. you could 3-bet if he folds an exceptionally high amount of the time to 3-bets. against a loose player who's going to monkey jam A8o then you can 3-bet for value. But basically, most of the time 3-betting a hand like AJs is turning a good hand into a bluff. He's going to continue/4-bet on you with hands that have you crushed and play pretty well IP.

Raising for information is a dumb concept.
 
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I'm sorry c9 I messed up. I completely forgot that this was heads up and that we had position. Forgive my stupidity
 
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If you aren't very confident in your post-flop play, just fold AJ oop. I'm pretty sure that's a +ev play.
 
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I'm sorry c9 I messed up. I completely forgot that this was heads up and that we had position. Forgive my stupidity
Stop apologizing for being dumb/getting something wrong (and there's a difference, you did the second thing). That gets on my nerves even more than dumb people. Just think about it & try to get it right next time.

If you aren't very confident in your post-flop play, just fold AJ oop. I'm pretty sure that's a +ev play.
Considering that all folds are 0 EV, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that folding AJ OOP isn't +EV.
 
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