$25 NLHE 6-max: Is this just pure spew?

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This is $30 NLHE
Villain was playing 27/18 with a 3bet of 7%, 52 AFQ and 59% cbet. Stats were over 193 hands.
His 3bet stat doesn't really tell the whole story because i think he didn't 3bet at all for ages then we started playing 3 handed and he began 3betting me a lot. At the time I was playing very agressive pre with it being 3 handed, my stats on the table were 48/48 (usually I'm a 24/20). Out of the several times he had previously 3bet me I had folded all but one time, the one time I 4bet bluffed and he folded. I did think about 4betting pre but it sucks if he 5bets especially as we are reasonably deep.
As for postflop maybe should have just folded turn? He bet pretty small so I thought I would try and rep the flush which may get him to fold weak overpairs plus all the other random shit he could have here. He took a long time to call on the turn so at this point I was pretty sure he had a pretty weak hand (maybe small over pair plus he could have A6/A5 type hands I think) and a shove would get him off it.

So is this just spewy?

888 Poker - $0.30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BB: $42.53
BTN: $29.82
Hero (SB): $83.02

Hero posts SB $0.15, BB posts BB $0.30

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.45) Hero has Qh Ah

fold, Hero raises to $0.90, BB raises to $2.70, Hero calls $1.80

Flop: ($5.40, 2 players) 2s 5c 2c
Hero checks, BB bets $2.70, Hero calls $2.70

Turn: ($10.80, 2 players) 6c
Hero checks, BB bets $5.40, Hero raises to $13.20, BB calls $7.80

River: ($37.20, 2 players) Td
Hero bets $64.42

(he has $23.93 left on river btw)
 
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4 bet pre.

As played I would rather call the turn, we are still in good shape against his range, and fold to a decent sized river bet if we brick.
 
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Yep, that's pretty spewy.
 
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4 bet pre.

As played I would rather call the turn, we are still in good shape against his range, and fold to a decent sized river bet if we brick.

what would u do if he 5bets?
 
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yeah i'm with youregoodmate and probably 2.5x 4bet pre
 
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in my opinion i would prefer tanking the river and betting around 15 or 18.this looks more real than the 64 allin that looks bluffy.this would do the job unless hes in calling mode.it is spewy but good players dont just make a random raise and then give up.or else dont raise at all if u dont have a read.
 
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I 4bet/fold pre, I generally don't like 4bet bluffing fish as they tend to flat all sorts of junk but this can be 4bet for value vs his flatting range and be folded vs his 5bet range.

As played I fold the flop. Your not only relying on villain to have been 3bet bluffing pre (QQ+,AK all crush us), but you also need to guess the exact amount he will barrel of his bluffs all whilst out of position and facing turn and river cards that can put his air ahead.

The turn raise and river bet are horrible, fish have a hard time folding top pair, your not going to get them to fold their overpairs. We make our money from fish by value towning them not bluffing them, so when we miss our hand there's no shame in just check/folding.
 
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i agree with that. Its sucking the fish out of the pond not trying to cannon ball him away from the bait. its good to call a flop and fold a turn once on a fish that just raises. next time hell double the raise and give you his all in on cockyness alone
 
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I 4bet/fold pre, I generally don't like 4bet bluffing fish as they tend to flat all sorts of junk but this can be 4bet for value vs his flatting range and be folded vs his 5bet range.

As played I fold the flop. Your not only relying on villain to have been 3bet bluffing pre (QQ+,AK all crush us), but you also need to guess the exact amount he will barrel of his bluffs all whilst out of position and facing turn and river cards that can put his air ahead.

The turn raise and river bet are horrible, fish have a hard time folding top pair, your not going to get them to fold their overpairs. We make our money from fish by value towning them not bluffing them, so when we miss our hand there's no shame in just check/folding.

Granted your right that I played the hand bad but I didn't have him down as a complete fish who can't fold like your suggesting. I viewed him as more of a bad reg type. His stats of 27/18 are of course not very good stats but they're aren't completely fishy like the 70/20 type u get (whom I never bluff). I was pretty sure I could make this guy lay down weak pairs. However i do agree that i shouldn't have made the play, not enough info on the guy, just too risky
 
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