$25 NLHE 6-max: JJ, strange villian line.

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PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $24.25
UTG: $11.04
Hero (MP): $26.00
CO: $25.00
BTN: $31.07

BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.25) Hero has J:heart: J:club:

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, BTN raises to $2.25, fold, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.75, 2 players) 4:heart: T:heart: Q:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($4.75, 2 players) 3:club:
Hero bets $3.25, BTN calls $3.25

River: ($11.25, 2 players) 3:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25, BTN calls $0.00
 
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I couldn't come up with a single hand that checks the flop, bets the river, that had me beat. I expected him to c-bet his entire river value range.
 
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I don't like calling this 3-bet unless you have evidence he's 3-betting light. Stats?
 
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c9h13no3 said:
I don't like calling this 3-bet unless you have evidence he's 3-betting light. Stats?
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I agree. I would not normally flat here but I guess I just felt like playing it. Stats are only a 30 hand sample.
 
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Line seems OK, you can check turn to induce too.
 
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Pre-flop is fine. C/c or bet/fold the river depend on his 3-betting %. I think you can assume if he has somewhat reg stats that you're not going to have mid pairs, so his range really shifts into Tx hands he wanted to pot control into, and weak Qx hands. You'd also have to assume he bets the flop with most of his bluffs and big draws. So really it depends on your 30 hand sample in terms of what kind of player he likely is. I don't think C/c is horrible on the river, but we can make better decisions with slightly more info.
 
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John A said:
Pre-flop is fine. C/c or bet/fold the river depend on his 3-betting %. I think you can assume if he has somewhat reg stats that you're not going to have mid pairs, so his range really shifts into Tx hands he wanted to pot control into, and weak Qx hands. You'd also have to assume he bets the flop with most of his bluffs and big draws. So really it depends on your 30 hand sample in terms of what kind of player he likely is. I don't think C/c is horrible on the river, but we can make better decisions with slightly more info.
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Thanks for the post. If nothing else, I'm happy that I'm starting to think through hands rather than just auto c/f river. He had a weak Q, btw.
 
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That is really strange. 3 bet preflop and check on the flop....ooook. maybe QQ TT or a squeeze that he totally gives up on. I would think that even a weak T c-bets here. I think we have to call the river. Perhaps your check on the river after betting the turn looks weak? I agree with everyone else that this hand is a real head scratcher......would really like to know how it turned out.

Nevermind....you already said he had a q
 
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JKo2theQQ said:
That is really strange. 3 bet preflop and check on the flop....ooook. maybe QQ TT or a squeeze that he totally gives up on. I would think that even a weak T c-bets here. I think we have to call the river. Perhaps your check on the river after betting the turn looks weak? I agree with everyone else that this hand is a real head scratcher......would really like to know how it turned out.

Nevermind....you already said he had a q
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Thanks, good to know I'm not the only one who had issues with this one.
 
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Line is good for me.

On turn, I think you can be defensive since so suspicious on the flop.
 
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I didn't read any of replys . Wanted to come up wit some ranges here. I hate these hands that you barely fold and prob should. Idk lets see.

WOW it's hard to find hands that take a line like this. Do you have any history on villains post tendencies??? I gonna take a closer look at this hand later.

Like a check ott though for starters
 
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Very well played by villain, light 3 bet in position and he flops a piece and knows he won't get called by worse so checks to induce and also pot control and when you bet turn and check river he knows his weak Q is good.

He doesn't need to bet flop because you have very few draws in your range after flatting, maybe only AKhh.

Idk about the turn bet on your part because you are not getting called by worse since AK is probably his only worse hand and that bets flop plus its a little bit big to get called by 10x and he could be 3 betting j10 and 109 suited.
 
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IPlay said:
Very well played by villain, light 3 bet in position and he flops a piece and knows he won't get called by worse so checks to induce and also pot control and when you bet turn and check river he knows his weak Q is good.

He doesn't need to bet flop because you have very few draws in your range after flatting, maybe only AKhh.

Idk about the turn bet on your part because you are not getting called by worse since AK is probably his only worse hand and that bets flop plus its a little bit big to get called by 10x and he could be 3 betting j10 and 109 suited.
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I agree, betting the turn is just terrible on my part.
 
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The first thing that came to mind was that he was pot controlling. Worried that as you flatted the 3bet there is lots of TT & QQ in your range, so him with a weak Q makes sense. I wouldn't have been surprised to see KK. I don't think betting the turn is bad, plenty of AK he might muck at that point.
 
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