$25 NLHE 6-max: Full house vs river raise

I don't usually open QTs from this position but the table is full of fish.
The stats on CO are 36/8, 72% AFQ over just 41 hands.
I bet large on the river cos i know fish can't fold full houses, but once he raises he has to have either quads or a queen for a split pot right?

888 Poker - $0.30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: $30.00
BB: $20.52
Hero (UTG): $32.93
CO: $31.24
BTN: $16.29

SB posts SB $0.15, BB posts BB $0.30

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.45) Hero has Qc Tc

Hero raises to $0.90, CO calls $0.90, BTN calls $0.90, fold, fold

Flop: ($3.15, 3 players) Kc Kd Qs
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.15, 3 players) Kh
Hero bets $2.40, CO calls $2.40, BTN calls $2.40

River: ($10.35, 3 players) 8h
Hero bets $8.70, CO raises to $18.30, fold, Hero?

Fold

really?

Interesting; but not sure I'm liking a bet/fold on the river or maybe I'm no where near good enough to fold Qx and put him on Kx enough to warrant it.

Essentially we have the nuts; sure we're splitting at times and and rare times we're losing. You have already stated he's a fish, he has a high aggro factor and well; these guys do weird things. He could think you're full shit and jam Ax and there's 8x in his range along with loads of pocket pairs too.

There seem to be only 3 realistic hands in my opinion, 2 you are losing and 1 is a split.

Qx - Best case scenario but also the most likely from an odds perspective.

Kx - Obv not likely, but its not like Quads never hit. IMO, his betting pattern matches up with this hand the best. Slow play to extract the most out of the hand given the PF action.

AA - Would not be the ideal way to play AA but it does make sense. If you had been aggressive pre-flop he could be slow playing AA to win a big pot. The flop is the worst possible for AA so he checks, can't let go of AA on the turn and no one has showed strength so it still might be good. river gives him the best FH.

This is all after giving it a lot of thought. In the moment, I would find it very hard to fold. If he has quads or AA, hats off to him.

I wouldn't even bet the freaking turn. I would check turn, bet riv, fold to raise.
However I think you can find a fold here.

888 Poker - $0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: $36.32
CO: $31.94
BTN: $9.32
SB: $21.54
BB: $20.00
Hero (UTG): $49.00

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.30) Hero has Ac Ah

Hero raises to $0.60, fold, CO calls $0.60, fold, SB calls $0.50, fold

Flop: ($2.00, 3 players) Jd Th Jh
SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, CO calls $1.20, SB calls $1.20

Turn: ($5.60, 3 players) Jc
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3.20, SB calls $3.20, fold

River: ($12.00, 2 players) Ts
SB bets $16.54, CO calls $16.54

CO shows Kh Tc (Full House, Jacks full of Tens) (Pre 25%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
SB shows Ks Js (Four of a Kind, Jacks) (Pre 75%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
SB wins $42.83

Fold definitely. Your fullhouse is not so great here. People don't bluff in a 3 way pot on the river..

Forsakenone I'm surprised you're saying u wouldn't even bet the turn. We are against two fish who will both call with any pocket pair and probably ace high aswell. I think we can definitely get 2 streets of value vs them

js520 said:

Forsakenone I'm surprised you're saying u wouldn't even bet the turn. We are against two fish who will both call with any pocket pair and probably ace high aswell. I think we can definitely get 2 streets of value vs them

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True that, 2 streets of value, but my 2 streets of value would be flop and river.

when u bet the turn and get called u should not bet the river. Ull never get called by worse its two players in the pot. So check and call since someone will value bet or bluff.