$25 NLHE 6-max: FML - AKs gets cold 4-bet

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baudib1

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blah blah. i would just shove this a lot but i also hold the world record for shoving AK into AA.
couple things make this pretty scary:
1. He's cold 4-betting someone who 3-bet an UTG raiser OOP
2. 4-bet size is inducing a shove over rather than maximizing FE.
3. Never seen this guy do this, he's not that aggressive and he hasn't gotten out of line; has a 3-bet stat of 4% in limited sample (171 hands), no 4-bets
4. I've been running much tighter than usual at this table (around 13/12 over 100 or so hands)

so you like this fold? hate it with the money already in but meh

$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($28.86)
UTG+1 ($53.54)
CO ($13.14)
BTN ($25)
Hero (SB) ($27.32)
BB ($26.05)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is SB K:diamond: A:diamond:
UTG raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BB raises to $12, UTG folds, CO folds, Hero folds

Final Pot: $17

BB wins $17 (net +$5)

CO lost $0.75
Hero lost $3.50
UTG lost $0.75
 
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I don't have stove on this 'puter, but at first glance I don't mind it.

I think you've considered most of the salient points. To some degree it comes down to 1) his range, and whether it includes AK/QQ/JJ, and 2) your fold equity, of which you should have pretty much none.


Question: If you were him, would you raise this size with AA? I'm just wondering if the size suggests AK more than any other hand.
 
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With only $3.50 in the pot, its not a spot you want to put your money in being a flip at best. He's almost never has AQ or less hear so with so little invested I think AK in this spot is an easy fold.
 
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If you haven't seen him do this then do it again and again
 
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nice fold. no doubt! you are at best a flip here.
 
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It's been awhile since I played 6-max $25NL regularly, but back then I just didn't see many people eager to stack with less than K/K at $25NL. Certainly not a fully stacked player.

Like Vanq said, I fold comfortably.
 
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i stack TT+/AK pretty regularly.
 
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i stack TT+/AK pretty regularly.

And what are your results stacking TT-QQ and AK? I have a feeling they're in the red if I remember 20NL correctly (beat: playing 10NL now)
 
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Pretty good I believe, I'll run reports when I get home. (But basically, I wouldn't be doing it against regs if I was behind a lot). In a lot of situations stacking 88/AQ is profitable and we still get called by worse.
 
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i ran a report for the last month, all-in preflop = true, hands worse than KK

88, 5 times. vs. KK/A3s/AQ/AK/T7s

99, 7 times. vs. AQ/TT/KJ/TT/QQ/KK/77

TT, 14 times. vs. 22/AK/AK/66/AK/99/AJ/AJ/A6/97/AK/KK/QQ/AJ

So out of 26 times I got it AIPF with 88-TT, I was crushed only 7 times, flipping 11 times, crushing 8 times

JJ 10 times, vs. AQ/AK/AQ/AA/AK/AK/AK/KK/KK/AQ
 
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Well it's an easy fold. There is no way the BB can be out of line given that you 3-betted the UTG's raise. The worst the BB can show up here is QQ.
 
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i ran a report for the last month, all-in preflop = true, hands worse than KK

88, 5 times. vs. KK/A3s/AQ/AK/T7s

99, 7 times. vs. AQ/TT/KJ/TT/QQ/KK/77

TT, 14 times. vs. 22/AK/AK/66/AK/99/AJ/AJ/A6/97/AK/KK/QQ/AJ

So out of 26 times I got it AIPF with 88-TT, I was crushed only 7 times, flipping 11 times, crushing 8 times

JJ 10 times, vs. AQ/AK/AQ/AA/AK/AK/AK/KK/KK/AQ

Well good for you if you play where regs stack up 99+ AQ and AJ, I've hardly ever seen that, most stack up KK+ AK @ micros. IF you do it vs fish it's a bit different sure
 
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I don't have stove on this 'puter, but at first glance I don't mind it.

I think you've considered most of the salient points. To some degree it comes down to 1) his range, and whether it includes AK/QQ/JJ, and 2) your fold equity, of which you should have pretty much none.


Question: If you were him, would you raise this size with AA? I'm just wondering if the size suggests AK more than any other hand.

kinda off-topic but for equity calculations: http://propokertools.com/simulations
 
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