$25 NLHE 6-max: Flopped TP + nut flush draw vs 2 opponents - GII on flop?

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UTG is 50/29 18% 3b over 24 hands. SB is 36/27 over 11 hands. Not enough hands on either to know anything except UTG is probably a LAG.

Raised the flop with my TP + nut FD...when reraised is it best to GII here or call like I did to keep UTG in and to see what the turn brings ??

Obv when the turn gives me another 4 outs I'm happy to put the rest in vs 2 opponoents.

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($24.75)
BB ($20.52)
UTG ($133.48)
MP ($11.49)
Hero (Button) ($27.70)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A
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, 2
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UTG bets $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3) J
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, 4
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, A
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(4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, SB raises to $5.15, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.65, Hero calls $2.90

Turn: ($18.45) 5
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(3 players)
SB bets $9.25, UTG raises to $18.50, Hero raises to $21.80 (All-In), SB calls $9.60 (All-In), UTG calls $3.30
 
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When the sb makes the 4 bet on the flop, flatting here is pretty bad if we want to continue in the hand, if a spade hits, action is going to pretty much die, we don't get any value from the set/2 pair hand (which this is a lot of the time,just other fd)that we were getting on the flop.So it's just best to ship flop as I've said.
Yes, we pick up more outs on turn but not equity, as played I'm folding turn.
We're obv way behind and not pot committed.
 
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I'm folding pre obv...

Also, why are you raising the flop? You have a draw to the nuts and a guy to act behind so why are you raising? If someone shoves you've effed yourself, and you likely make the guy behind fold... Flat the flop to get better odds for your draw cos lets be honest, your ace is never good here so your whole hand is a flush draw only
 
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Agree with JC, fold pre, or 3b if you want to play and think he is opening super wide. If you raise the flop you are doing so to GII so calling after raising seems pretty crazy, even though the sb should have sets and 2p here all the time. I think calling OTF is better for the reasons JC already said.

As played either GII OTF and fold turn. We have 12 outs OTT which just isn't anywhere close to enough to be thinking about a call
 
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Fold or 3b pre I agree is better.

Getting it in on the turn isn't anything like as bad as you guys think imo, in fact it's a pretty breakeven call assuming only one of them has a set (which I figured at the time). Looking back on the hand in PT3 I am 26% to win on the turn, and as all the money is inevitably going in from both villains it's essentially a $22 call to win an $81 pot, which seems fine.
 
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oh no i still defo get it in on the turn, its just a worse spot than if you flat the flop imo..
 
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I'm sorry, I'm new and don't play online if that helps at all, folding a suited connected ace to a 2bb raise seems quite nitty; atleast see the flop for that price right? Is that THAT awful of a play?
 
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I'm sorry, I'm new and don't play online if that helps at all, folding a suited connected ace to a 2bb raise seems quite nitty; atleast see the flop for that price right? Is that THAT awful of a play?

yeah its pretty bad lol. esp vs a UTG raise and esp when well be entering the pot second (as theres no guarantee well see a multiway flop). also, the raise is a standard 3bb one, not 2bb
 
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