$25 NLHE 6-max: Flopped a set, got a bit lost

Really lost in this hand, villain is 42/29/1.3 10% fishy over 62 hands. 33/8 14CC in the SB. UTG is an average looking reg at this point, 25/19/2.3 11.9% over 164.

I got a bit lost in this hand really and feel I played it pretty terribly. My smallish bets where an attempt to keep a fish with a weak range in the pot but then he 3bets the turn and I'm sad.


poker stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2261518
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Hero (CO): $25.86
BTN: $64.59
SB: $27.49
BB: $25.85
UTG: $31.30

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with 2 :diamond: 2 :spade:
UTG raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.50) 9 :diamond: 2 :heart: 7 :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.15, SB calls $1.15, UTG folds

Turn: ($4.80) 3 :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $2.40, Hero raises to $5, SB raises to $8, Hero calls $3

River: ($20.80) K :club: (2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero calls $8

Well... It looks to me like your beat. I would be pretty surprised If he didn't just turn a flush. But it looks like he min 3 bet, idk... This looks a lot like the nut flush to me. If he's good he would be 3 betting bigger with like 9 5 diamonds because he might try to clear out the ace and king of diamonds. I think his small 3 bet means he has the nuts, or close to it at the very least. So I'm folding the river I think.

i preffer check calling turn and then check reevaluating river. or check raising turn and folding to any further action.

vinylspiros said:

i preffer check calling turn and then check reevaluating river. or check raising turn and folding to any further action.

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His 3 bet sizing makes me think he already has a flush and the only chance we have of winning is making a boat or quads. When he bets the river.... If our hand doesn't improve in my mind it is definitely a fold. Most likely our hand won't improve. However he's basically priced us in to call his 3 bet... It is very clear he wants a call here IMO. So in my opinion check/ call turn. Check fold river if hand doesn't improve

Jblocher1 said:

His 3 bet sizing makes me think he already has a flush and the only chance we have of winning is making a boat or quads. When he bets the river.... If our hand doesn't improve in my mind it is definitely a fold. Most likely our hand won't improve. However he's basically priced us in to call his 3 bet... It is very clear he wants a call here IMO. So in my opinion check/ call turn. Check fold river if hand doesn't improve

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this is exactly what i said above and yes i agree with you here.

Jblocher1 said:

If he's good he would be 3 betting bigger with like 9 5 diamonds because he might try to clear out the ace and king of diamonds.

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Wat? Why would that make him good? Wat is he getting value from if he's trying to "clear out" the nuts?

Also you can't check the turn if sb donks out

Bet the flop a lot more vs 2 fish. Doesn't really matter you think they have a weak range, still calling wide

Bomb the flop, call the turn. Ship river if you get there obv, and if you don't then perhaps call depending on odds.

I'm betting pot on the flop, don't need any weak ranges in against you if the flush card kills your hand. Gotta punish the draw, especially when you know he is fishy! If he is fishy and you take away his odds every time you will come out ahead in the long run in spite of those times he does suck out on you, because he had the wrong price you know he isn't playing solid and where the leaks are that you can exploit. :tee:

IMO double or raise your flop bet to punish the draw here the most that you can. The majority of the time the flush wont hit and you will build a nice pot against this player. Bottom set isn't strong enough for me to bet any less on a juicy flush board with a lot of middle straight draws possible.

TylerN said:

Wat? Why would that make him good? Wat is he getting value from if he's trying to "clear out" the nuts?

Also you can't check the turn if sb donks out

Bet the flop a lot more vs 2 fish. Doesn't really matter you think they have a weak range, still calling wide

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Yeah please disregard what I said there it didn't make any sense lol. I was typing really fast because I was in a Rush and didn't think that through. Still might fold river though if I don't get there, because I think he has a flush

vinylspiros said:

this is exactly what i said above and yes i agree with you here.

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I thought u meant evaluate river as like consider calling if you don't improve. my bad If you meant fold if you don't improve

I'm now definitely leaning towards calling the turn and seeing what they do on the river. I thought on first review that I'd bet too small on the flop, my thinking was flawed on such a dangerous flop. I normally do bet more on wet boards.

vinylspiros said:

i preffer check calling turn and then check reevaluating river. or check raising turn and folding to any further action.

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Just to say you can't check/call or check/raise in position

js520 said:

Just to say you can't check/call or check/raise in position

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omg, ur right . yes what i meant is flat turn and then re evaluate river. ty for correction.

Yeah don't fold on the river...

DunningKruger said:

Yeah don't fold on the river...

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If he bets a standard bet like 2/3 pot on the river... How much of his range are we ahead of? He 3 bet the turn. If we call a standard bet I feel like we are not ahead very often if our hand doesn't improve

The guy appears to be a few chicken mcnuggets short of a happy meal. His terrible play in this hand (regardless of what he holds) and his river sizing are a big part of why I'm not folding a set to him lol. Sure, the decision becomes a little more interesting if he decided to shove (betting 2/3 pot is 2 bucks shy of effective stacks), but we've been let off the hook. This is a flush (let alone the nut flush which is like 6 or 7 combos) less often than you think and his weak river sizing has a lot to do with that.

I didn't mention it before because it was already said but I should emphasize a much larger bet should've been made on the flop.

he got you there most of the time, why raise o9n the turn keep it under control, if you want to go to showdown and the flush gets there just call and keep the pot us small as possible.
if its me i will fold to the turn bet.

micromoi said:

if its me i will fold to the turn bet.

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Do you know what pot odds are. Just curious. Don't fold for $3 when the pot is over $20 because you're scared of a flush. You'll improve to a boat or quads about 23% of the time here.

Yeah I definitely should have bet more on that flop vs 2.

It sounds bad but I think I ended up calling the river because he's so bad, how strangely he played it and his river sizing. And I has set. His play just seemed wrong. Considering how muddled I got I didn't have ranges very well set in my mind by the river.

Sooo he had the flush I'm guessing?

Did Sb call opening raise with something like ???

Bet more on the flop. Drawy board, great hand, fishy player, set up stacks etc etc.

Call the turn when the possibly fishy SB calls multiway his range will have so many suited hands. I don't hate the minraise but it's possible villain isn't a fish with that sample size in which case we gain little value and once he 3bets its a flush everytime so the river is a fold.

I think the discussion is done. He had 68 with a diamond. It makes sense but it's definitely near the bottom of his range.

8 high is probably near the bottom of his range, yes.

I don't think there's anything left to discuss when it comes to our decision on the river. It just comes down to trying to get into this player's head and getting a handle on what hands you feel he's capable of showing up with. Clearly I'm alone on an island when I say call this, but at the very least I'd like to advise we don't use terms like "always" and "every time" when trying to put someone that we only have a handful of hands with on a hand - especially if it's a button clicker.

Standard line vs passive fish with made hands (and an AF of 1.3 is passive) is to b/f every street regardless of board texture.

Just because a third diamond falls on the turn doesn't mean we are def beaten , although it is very possible that villain has turned a flush.
Im playing the hand straight forward against this villain , either by checking behind turn and controlling the pot size or by raising the turn big giving villain a bad price to draw to a flush.
I don't like min raise because we give villain good price to call with one diamond. also we build the pot when we are beaten.
I don't think villain is joking when he leads turn , so Im prob going for pot control here and hoping to pair the board. But depends on what I have seen villain doing with draws , weak hands and monsters previously.
Hand sample a little low for villain to tag him as fish.
Online seems to be full of regs theses days so its hard to get paid off unless your like 20 tabling and making little profit on each . I like to start my sessions playing a shit loads of hands getting the stats up really high , then slowing down to a normal pace , that way a reg who is playing 8 tables , will look and my stats when its decision time and see 50/30/58 and think mega fish and pay off .