$25 NLHE 6-max: flop and turn fold to cbet are 51 and 64...triple barrel has to work 2/3rds time..

$25 NL HE 6-max: flop and turn fold to cbet are 51 and 64...triple barrel has to work 2/3rds time..

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 40/5/1.3

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HAND 1
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$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Poker Tools by Stoxpoker - Hand Details

Hero (MP): $44.69 (178.8 bb)
CO: $5 (20 bb)
BTN: $39.86 (159.4 bb)
SB: $24.75 (99 bb)
BB: $21.55 (86.2 bb)
UTG: $55.20 (220.8 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with K:club: J:heart:
CO posts BB OOP, UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.35, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.10
Flop: ($3.30) 8:heart: 3:spade: T:spade: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG calls $2
Turn: ($7.30) 3:heart: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $4.75, UTG calls $4.75
River: ($16.80) 7:heart: (2 players)
UTG checks
Results:[spoil] $16.80 pot
Hero bets [$10.00 USD]
UTG folds
Hero wins $10.00 USD
Hero wins $15.96 USD from main pot[/spoil]

err... so do you have a question, or are you just bragging?

not bragging........was supposed to be a spoil button...how bad is the third barrel or do I really have an option here?

Third barrel is less crappy than the first two, but that's about the only thing positive I can say about the hand.

the thing is, I am making myself review hands that I might have spewed even though it might be embarassing to me or even a bad play....I just really hate to give up when he shows zero aggression,.... (twice that aren't standard...i.e. turn and river) AF of 1.3 is actually pretty high for a 40vpip. And yes, i am aware that fish love to slowpay big hands. But this guy is. bad.

Well, since he is check calling the river is a good scare card to triple barrel, if it had bricked this line would be more questionable. I don't mind the the second barrel either since he is peeling so many flops and we have position. However against this opponent there has got to be a better way to get his money than tripple barreling. Don't forget we are deep too, so bluffing your stack off might not be such a great move.

c9h13no3 said:

Third barrel is less crappy than the first two, but that's about the only thing positive I can say about the hand.

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c9 be constructive man!
I don't think the original c-bet is all that bad. It aint folding anything we beat but were protecting our hand from being bluffed as we can't really call down with king high and if he does hold a pair we have almost 25% equity.

The other two barrels I hate. Triple barreling a huge fish like this is wrong. Don't make huge bluffs against calling stations!

Deco said:

c9 be constructive man!
I don't think the original c-bet is all that bad. It aint folding anything we beat but were protecting our hand from being bluffed as we can't really call down with king high and if he does hold a pair we have almost 25% equity.

The other two barrels I hate. Triple barreling a huge fish like this is wrong. Don't make huge bluffs against calling stations!

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My thoughts exactly.

The 3 on the turn changes nothing so unless u have a read that he floats flops super light and then gives up on the turn where not folding out anything that liked that flop imo.

Stop barreling with no plan of why you're doing it. "Because villain is bad" or "passive" isn't good enough. You need to break down his range, think about what part of it hits this flop, what part of it misses. What's he calling with, what's he folding with, what's he raising with.

When we cbet flop, what range do you put him on?

Does that turn improve our perceived range? Will it scare villain? Does it improve his range or not?

Same questions for river?

In general these are horrible boards to barrel vs fish because they call with ALL draws, sometimes overcards, and never give you credit for a hand because they think you have a draw, so they never fold any pair.

I think the board texture and our read on villain's range takes precedence over his fold to barrel stats. Just because he folds %X on the turn doesn't mean that applies to every situation. Stats are averages, and this is a spot where villain's EXTREMELY unlikely to fold the turn unless he's peeling a ton of overcards/ace highs. And if that's the case, then we shouldn't be betting the flop in the first place.