$25 NLHE 6-max: Flop 2pair face check raise

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Villain betsizing on the flop,turn and river signaled a monster probably a set,2 pair or even a straight.Yeah without any read on villain I would usually consider a fold there also.
 
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This line seems like the nuts or nothing. When he check-raises the flop your hand doesn't be much of his value, besides QJ which might not even go for a check-raise. You still beat his semibluffs such as straight and flush draws. The turn and river are clean and the draws bricked so you might bet bluffed once in a while, but there may be stronger hands you will play this way such as, bigger two pairs, dummy ended straights (10, 9), slowplayed sets and straights meaning you aren't at the top of your range and might find some better hands to call. You will want to pick some hands that will fold this river and this might be one of them.
 
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Biggest mistakes are on flop and turn imo.

Flop: Why flat call his check-raise? If u think he has two pair as well, then ur decision should be to shove or fold (depending on which u put him on), since ur drawing slim after this street. If you think he has a pair/draw combo, ur even money and a shove gives u fold equity (also, again ur hand is not likely to improve). If u think he has a set or straight, easy fold. Shove or fold, no call.

Turn: He's leading out after check-raising. He is now representing a straight, set, or monster draw. Your hand doesn't beat most of those and is still not likely to get better. Let it go...
 
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hes bluffing he has a weaker two pair at best.

his bet sizing changes saying hes improved hugely on river and trying to get value.... looks suspicous and im snapping this off.

your decision is at the check raise... is he drawing or not?? soon as you call you need to follow up and call his bluff or run into a set or straight.

preflop suggests its hard for him to have a set. qq kk 3bets and most jj at this level id expect to 3bet also.

check raise... followed by a small bet on turn suggests he wants to buy a river card cheaply... big bet to get the fold when missed river.

next time call :)
 
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Well played OP. We can't go nuts on a flop like this with top and bottom pair. BB can easily have 109, A10, KQ compared to what draws? Axd, 10xd which still have about ~36% equity. I would argue we can fold earlier then river but villain is giving us too good of a price so I play it exactly as you did. River isn't going to be a bluff very often and looks more like villain wants you to think he is bluffing missed draws because it is painfully obvious that they did, in fact miss.
 
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Well played OP. We can't go nuts on a flop like this with top and bottom pair. BB can easily have 109, A10, KQ compared to what draws? Axd, 10xd which still have about ~36% equity. I would argue we can fold earlier then river but villain is giving us too good of a price so I play it exactly as you did. River isn't going to be a bluff very often and looks more like villain wants you to think he is bluffing missed draws because it is painfully obvious that they did, in fact miss.

A good price for what?? We aren't drawing here...

If we think he's bluffing there's no reason to call the turn only to fold the river.

If we think he's good there's no reason to call the turn only to fold the river.

Only reason to call turn would be to hope it goes check-check river but that's not likely given his line thus far.
 
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Well we have a good price on our equity against his range and if we are behind we are drawing to a boat and if we are ahead then we should call.

I can't look at the hand right now since it's a link but I'm pretty sure I still stand by my analysis but this seems like it would be a fun hand to run numbers on so maybe I will later.
 
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With no reads this seems tough. I would probably check back flop since we get check raised a good amount of time followed by barrels. Like others said, you probably just have to make a decision on flop and stick with it.
 
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