$25 NLHE 6-max: Donk bet TT on wet flop/turn

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888 Poker - $0.30 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 138 BB (VPIP: 28.50, PFR: 21.76, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, hands: 593)
Hero (SB): 150.7 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 21.74, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 23)
UTG: 138.7 BB (VPIP: 27.69, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 67)
MP: 73.1 BB (VPIP: 28.07, PFR: 14.04, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 60)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 59)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T:diamond: T:spade:

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (13 BB, 4 players) 2:club: 7:club: 8:club:
Hero bets 9 BB, UTG calls 9 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
Hero bets 20 BB, UTG calls 20 BB

River: (71 BB, 2 players) 6:spade:
Hero checks, UTG checks

How do you like Hero's play? What would you have done different? Thank you guys!
Note: I had no HUD
 
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Well played, nh!

Don't need to do anything differently, imo.
 
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Don't donk out. You're going to be value owning yourself a lot here, especially if UTG calls you down or gives action. It's 4-way, and people are going to be less inclined to bluff. Anyway, any hand other than 99 that gives us action to our donk either has tons of equity or already has us drawing pretty dead. Check-call flop and decide turn.

As played, the river check is good. UTG can still have 2pr/sets/JJ-AA in his range. If it were HU, I might bluff the river.
 
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Great, totally misread that as hero just barreling - I need to stop posting tired. It even said "donk" in the title.
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As the non-aggressor, I agree with Minh that a check/call is best on the flop.


OP: stop posting so many analysis hands. :p
 
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Think you're confusing Xmaster for someone else :p
 
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Think you're confusing Xmaster for someone else :p
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Again:
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60 threads where that remark applied and I pick one of the three where it doesn't.

Calls for another
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If I'm going to be doing/saying stuff like that regularly, then I'd better take a break until Euro16 ends. :p

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Thanks for your replies guys! Always funny your comments Timovieman :D

My thinking was, that if I call a cbet, I can also bet out myself. This way I accomplish a few things:

1. I'm paying off his overpairs off anyway 1 or 2 streets.
2. If he has the nut flush draw, he will pay for drawing. Otherwise he might chose to only bet his made hands and check behind the nut flush draw multiway. And even if he cbets with A in clubs, he might check behind on the turn if he misses. So he pays only one bet, for seeing two cards.
3. If he has AT+ without the flushdraw, he's probably not cbetting anyway. If he checks, all players would see a free turn card, so I rather try to get value from big flush draws
4. If he has a set or a bigger pocket pair with a flush draw, there is at least a chance that he raises, and I can safely lay down my TT, having lost only one bet. Because I don't think, that a player on that level is aggressive enough, to bluff raise there with only the nut flush draw in a multyway pot.

What do you think about this?
 
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Thanks for your replies guys! Always funny your comments Timovieman :D
Good to know that making a fool out of myself can at least entertain others. :D


My thinking was, that if I call a cbet, I can also bet out myself. This way I accomplish a few things:

1. I'm paying off his overpairs off anyway 1 or 2 streets.
2. If he has the nut flush draw, he will pay for drawing. Otherwise he might chose to only bet his made hands and check behind the nut flush draw multiway. And even if he cbets with A in clubs, he might check behind on the turn if he misses. So he pays only one bet, for seeing two cards.
3. If he has AT+ without the flushdraw, he's probably not cbetting anyway. If he checks, all players would see a free turn card, so I rather try to get value from big flush draws
4. If he has a set or a bigger pocket pair with a flush draw, there is at least a chance that he raises, and I can safely lay down my TT, having lost only one bet. Because I don't think, that a player on that level is aggressive enough, to bluff raise there with only the nut flush draw in a multyway pot.

What do you think about this?
Because you're out-of-position without knowing what he has in his hand, he can pretty much play his hand perfectly here.
He can draw with the Ac as long as he has the odds to do so, he can fold if he has nothing (AK no clubs, for instance), and he can call down overpairs as long as no club falls.
And if he has the nut flush, then he can slowplay your ass to the river.


If you check on the flop, he's going to make his intentions clear immediately: if he c-bets normally, then he has the nuts or at least the Ac, if he c-bets big, then he has an overpair but no club and wants to charge the max to those with the Ac.
If he c-bets big, you're pretty much dead in the water. If he doesn't he can still have you beat so it's best to just call and re-evaluate on the turn.
A lot of his AcK hands will check the turn through, while the rest will likely value-bet the turn again.
If the turn checks through and the river is not a club (or A or K, or Q or J for that matter), then you still can't really bet out since he won't be calling with A-high. Your best chance is if he's stupid enough to bluff a whiffed river.

Highest EV line is probably: c/c c/f c/c
Which is pretty darn horrible. Which is why I wouldn't mind a simple c/f on the flop.
 
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Ok, thank you for your explanation! ;)
 
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