$25 NLHE 6-max: Do you mind my play here?

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Villain plays 20/15/6 over 500 hands, and his c-bet% on the flop is 89.
I know getting it allin with TPTK isn't the best idea, but I hate both folding and calling here, his turn c-bet% is 70, So if I just flat I'll probably get a 10$ bet on the turn, which would bring me in pretty bad shape unless it's a king.
So I decided just to shove and maybe I'll get him of AK type of hands , worst case he has jacks or kings, or maybe aces, but I think he might fold aces to a c/r.
Do you mind my play here?
pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

CO ($20)
Button ($26.51)
SB ($25)
BB ($52.80)
UTG ($5.88)
Hero (MP) ($26.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K
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, A
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UTG calls $0.25, Hero bets $1, 1 fold, Button raises to $3, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.75, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($9.35) J
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, K
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, 3
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(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $4.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $23.10 (All-In),
 
c9h13no3

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I 4-bet pre. I hate calling OOP unless I have a hand that hits almost every flop (AA, KK, AKs). Add the fact that UTG has added dead money, and I think it's a shove every time.
 
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The big big leak here is not 4 betting pre-flop and scooping that dead money instead of playing a multi-way pot OOP. Seriously 4 bet this pre-flop. Hate the flop over-bet shove, I would just check/call, you fold out everything that you beat and probably not even Aces folds to this shove as is looks like you have a flush draw. Also if his is very aggressive let him hang himself if you are going with this hand.
 
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I personally hate 4-betting pre, because I have to fold to a shove. But I suppose I have to do it in some spots?
 
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I personally hate 4-betting pre, because I have to fold to a shove. But I suppose I have to do it in some spots?

am i missing something? why do you have to shove? his stats look standard so were probs flipping.

4bet GII imo.

Also you think hes going to fold AA to a x/r OTF?
 
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I don't say I have to shove, but I never call allins with AK unless villain is short or a maniac.

Well, I just figured he might fold it, I could see myself folding to a c/r in a spot like this, but i'm way to tight when it comes to calling.
 
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You let UTG fold, that's bad. 4-bet pre 100% in this spot.
 
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Alright I think i get it, thanks!
 
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Welcome to leakville, jesus christ. How'd you ever make it out of 10NL?

Unless playing a donkey/maniac you're never going to be ahead with AK vs a 5-bet shove at 25nl.
 
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Unless playing a donkey/maniac you're never going to be ahead with AK vs a 5-bet shove at 25nl.

I 5 bet shove Q/Q at 25nl and yesterday I went up flipping with Q/Q against A/K and other way twice against regs yesterday at 10nl. Seriously if you're flat calling A/K pre-flop all the time against regs to a 3 bet OOP because you are too scared to 4 bet it then you are burning money.

If you get 3 bet and you are IP, then you can flat call but OOP just 4 bet and GII.

Hand yesterday against a regular:

poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2175299
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CO: $10.15
BTN: $1.93
Hero (SB): $11.85
BB: $19.40
UTG: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A :heart: K :club:
1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.20, 1 fold, CO raises to $3.40, Hero raises to $11.85 all in, CO calls $6.75 all in

Flop: ($20.40) J :heart: 8 :spade: 9 :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($20.40) J :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($20.40) 3 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $20.40
CO shows Q :heart: Q :spade: (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Hero shows A :heart: K :club: (a pair of Jacks)
CO wins $19.48
(Rake: $0.92)

If I folded to his 4 bet then I just threw 12 BB's down the drain, not to mention if I get 4 bet bluffed (which can happen blind on BTN) and I fold it's a major mistake, happened to me 3 days ago, Villain raises UTG, I 3 bet him, he 4 bets and I shove, then he folds lol.
 
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Why is it bad to fold AK to preflop shoves most of the time?

It isn't against nits but against anyone who isn't a nit then there is so much dead money in the pot that usually just getting it in is best.
 
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I 5 bet shove Q/Q at 25nl and yesterday I went up flipping with Q/Q against A/K and other way around 3 times against regs yesterday at 10nl. Seriously if you're flat calling A/K pre-flop all the time against regs to a 3 bet OOP because you are too scared to 4 bet it then you are burning money.

If you get 3 bet and you are IP, then you can flat call but OOP just 4 bet and GII.

Well that seems to make sense, I'll start trying it out.
 
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I don't say I have to shove, but I never call allins with AK unless villain is short or a maniac.

Well, I just figured he might fold it, I could see myself folding to a c/r in a spot like this, but i'm way to tight when it comes to calling.

I mean theres time where folding AK is good for sure but like i said were probably flipping a lot and when he shows up with AQ sometimes wwere fist pumping.

Also, when he 4bets and we 5bet jam bad players are still going to fold some of the time.

Lastly, to add to yoshimis point, when we call 3bets and the board doesnt have an A or a K on it are you just playing to x/f? if so then ya youre burning money.

I didnt see that the fish in UTG flats here the 3bet first, I def think re-squeezing is the best option b/c it will allow the CO to GII with a wider range
 
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Unless playing a donkey/maniac you're never going to be ahead with AK vs a 5-bet shove at 25nl.

In before "I'd rather have 22 than AK."

If you're folding AK anytime someone shoves, then think about how ridiculous your stackoff range is.
 
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a 4 bet is best here! better than slow playing!!!!
 
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