Originally Posted by rumsey182
someone playing aggressively postflop against our overall tighter range is not longterm bad for us
If he opens too wide pre and peels a ton we are just more ahead of his range
, and if he opens wide and just has a reasonable calling range we win the pot variance free a lot
I don't mind flatting pre but it is something i would say we need more competency playing postflop to do, because if we are just set mining we don't have as much implied odds vs a wide range and we aren't getting incredible odds to be calling pre
No one is just set mining. I completely disagree with what you're saying though. I think if hero is ~100bbs deep, then I agree. However, when your opponents 3-bet calling range is going to widen this deep, and you have a hand that does not play well in a big pot, you're setting yourself up for failure.
I know a lot of you guys hear good players talking in training videos about range, and being ahead of someone's range, and allowing them to keep their weaker range in, etc... I don't think most of the guys talking about this really fully understand what they are saying. In a literal sense, it's pretty easy to see if someone opens X% of hands and you call with Y% (tighter), you will be ahead of their range. However, that doesn't really matter much in most post flop situations. I think people badly misunderstand this because they are thinking almost like limit holdem players. In most of these situations, you'll never be better than having a 2:1 equity advantage pre-flop versus your opponents range, and most of the time, less than that.
The reality is that you want to keep your opponents weaker range in as much as possible, but only in situations where a) the post flop ability of your hand is really good or b) You have a strong hand that will have lots of combos of weaker hands in that same range. Simple example is flatting AQ against someone's 35% open where they will have LOTS of weaker Ax holdings.
Position is such a huge bb/100 swing difference that if you analyze the same range of hands, let's say most common strong hands like KQ, KJs, ATs, AJo, etc... out of position versus in position, you'll notice how much more profitable those same hands are in position versus out. It's pretty much a huge chasm for everyone.
Simple reason... this isn't limit poker. Your opponent can bluff versus your range in position much more profitably than you can. They will always play their hand better because they will get away from their second best hands, float in the right spots better, turn smaller pairs into bluffs more often, and represent better hands than you can playing that hand OOP.