$25 NLHE 6-max: C-betting 3bet Pots

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$25 NL HE 6-max: C-betting 3bet Pots

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 27/24/29

CO: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
BTN: $75.39 (301.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $154.42 (617.7 bb)
BB: $34.65 (138.6 bb)
UTG: $48.03 (192.1 bb)
MP: $26.24 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K:heart: A:spade:
UTG folds, MP raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.25, BB folds, MP calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.75) T:spade: 2:spade: 8:diamond: (2 players)

Should I C-bet here?
How should i adjust my c-betting in 3bet pots? their range is stronger so i should be 3betting less but the definition of which boards are dry and which aren't is redefined.
 
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Hey Deco, recognize you from the stox forums; my name's Clean there.

I think whether we cbet here is highly dependent on what his range is (we need more info on his 3bet/4bet game, ie fold to 3bet and 4bet range stats), and how he plays in 3bet pots.

Down at these stakes, players aren't thinking about perceived ranges or balance or anything on that level. They're seeing their hand, and trying to figure out if they can call/raise, or if they have to fold with it. Against the more passive opponents I'm happy betting this flop with the intention of barreling any overcard and lots of spades because hands like 99, 66 or 89s just can't stand that kind of action. Against the stickier opponents we can think about shutting down and letting them have it (or potentially getting some free cards).
 
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I c-bet here 100% of the time without a specific read. Bad LAGs (I would assume he's bad unless he shows otherwise) in the micros call way too many 3-bets and play fit or fold so much that I don't see c-betting ever not being profitable here.


Edit : Oh, and welcome. About time you signed up here.
 
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Thanks, lol good to see my first two replies are both from stox members:p

As for 3betting in general how do you adjust what flop textures you bet on?
Are there any flops were you wouldn't normally bet but would if its a 3betted pot?
What are the first sorta flops you would normally consider dry but forgo C-betting if your up againsta typical 3bet range.

I think this is a weakness in my game as I'm far too skittish to C-bet most 3bet pots as pocketpairs are such a huge chunk of their range am gunna get floated way too many times when OOP.
 
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The questions in your most recent post are really general, but its just like c-betting in any other pot. You take into account your hand, your position, his range, and fire accordingly. Its just that for 3-bet pots, their range is usually stronger, and (usually) contains less speculative hands like 78s/22/ect. So with their stronger range, you just need to adjust what you consider a wet board (a 78J board is wet for a limp/caller, but not in a 3-bet pot imo). Also, since their range is stronger, you should c-bet less often and smaller, since your c-bets will work less and you don't need to bet as large to get it in by the river.

If villain is raising 8% of hands, and folds to c-bets 90% of the time, we should pretty much never c-bet anything unless we can beat aces or kings.

So I'd look at this guy's fold to c-bet stat, and if stuff like AQ/KQ/99/77 is in his calling range, I go ahead and fire this flop. The flop isn't especially wet, we have two overs and the nut backdoor flush draw. So if his range isn't especially strong, then I think we can fire out ~$4 here given our equity and the flop texture.
 
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c9h13no3 said:
The questions in your most recent post are really general, but its just like c-betting in any other pot. You take into account your hand, your position, his range, and fire accordingly. Its just that for 3-bet pots, their range is usually stronger, and (usually) contains less speculative hands like 78s/22/ect. So with their stronger range, you just need to adjust what you consider a wet board (a 78J board is wet for a limp/caller, but not in a 3-bet pot imo). Also, since their range is stronger, you should c-bet less often and smaller, since your c-bets will work less and you don't need to bet as large to get it in by the river.

If villain is raising 8% of hands, and folds to c-bets 90% of the time, we should pretty much never c-bet anything unless we can beat aces or kings.

So I'd look at this guy's fold to c-bet stat, and if stuff like AQ/KQ/99/77 is in his calling range, I go ahead and fire this flop. The flop isn't especially wet, we have two overs and the nut backdoor flush draw. So if his range isn't especially strong, then I think we can fire out ~$4 here given our equity and the flop texture.
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Cheers good explanation
 
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I would definitely continuation bet here because being aggressive is key in 6max ring games. If you get called you gotta reevaluate the turn and most likely shut down if an ace or king doesnt come.
 
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