$25 NLHE 6-max: BvB double gutter

$25 NL HE 6-max: BvB double gutter

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 18/15/3.2

~1k hands
fold bb 80%
fold to flop cbet-78%
fold to turn cbet-67%
raise cbet 8%
wtsd-21%


So far seems to be abc tag. I can pretty much eliminate all 2pair+ hands from his range since I think he raises those on this flop close to 100% of the time, and that 2 on the turn does not help him. I'm not sure what most +ev play is here between double barreling or ch/raising. I think I can fold out more of his range with the check raise assuming he bets. If I double barrel I think he continues with all his top pairs and draws, but feel like if I do that I have to triple barrel some river cards, but i still give myself a chance to hit my draw, if he doesnt raise the turn.


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HAND #1
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party poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
BTN: $24.55 (98.2 bb)
Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $25.70 (102.8 bb)
CO: $71.15 (284.6 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 7:spade: 8:diamond:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.50) J:heart: 5:heart: 9:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $1, BB calls $1
Turn: ($3.50) 2:spade: (2 players)
Hero ??

Checking here seems really weak so in this instance I like leading/double barreling to 2.75 ish. If he decided to beluga the turn, barring an incredibly small raise I would fold tho...

Just my opinion. Just found this and actually want to see if more experienced players have a good thought process in this situation b/c I'm not exactly sure what to do either.

so ...bump

Bet out like $2.50 here & if he calls, you have to break out the triple barrel...

IMO, there's no point in bettin' the flop as you did if you are considering giving up on the hand on the turn.

This is an absolutely perfect board and spot for a ch/r. After villain calls this flop he is either on a draw or a weakish made hand (something like QJ for example) I'd say. Like you say, 2 pair (only real combo in his range is J9) and sets raise this flop almost always. When the 2 blanks off he still has a weakish made hand or a draw. When you check to him on this turn he will likely bet all his draws to try to take the pot there and also probably bet all of his Jx hands for value. By ch/raising here you put villain to a really tough decision. He will have to fold his draws since he no longer has odds and if he has a weak Jx or even a worse made hand he will have a hard time stacking.

I probably fire the second barrel here - I'd be worried about how often an abc TAG actually bets and gives us the opportunity to check raise.

Also, I don't think that a check raise will fold out that many more hands than leading for say $3ish. So it's kinda a toss up between the value we lose from a potential check-raise vs the lower risk of just leading for a lower amount... with a marginal hand like this I probably opt for the lower risk.

OzExorcist said:

I probably fire the second barrel here - I'd be worried about how often an abc TAG actually bets and gives us the opportunity to check raise.

Also, I don't think that a check raise will fold out that many more hands than leading for say $3ish. So it's kinda a toss up between the value we lose from a potential check-raise vs the lower risk of just leading for a lower amount... with a marginal hand like this I probably opt for the lower risk.

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Yeah a ABC TAG wont bet this 100% of times but a ABC TAG doesnt fold a draw to a 1/2-pot sized bet ever.
They just look at there hand and see they have 8 or 9 outs and see the bet and think "hmmm im not geting odds to call with my draw but this fancy thing called implied odds mean i have to call cause i stack him every time on the river".
But ABC TAGs respect the check raise .
Hence me loving the c/r line BW sugested, it folds out all his draws and weak made hands witch are a majority of his range and seeing if where to double barrel here and get called we almost have to fire every river....

Yeah perfect spot to c/r imo. We can rep a set pretty credibly (for same reasons others has said c/r is good, he bets this turn a ton when checked to). Only problem is when he has hands like 89 he's probably just going to check turn back and then we really can't bluff him off it if we brick river whereas he probably folds it to a double barrel. Good news is that 6 of our outs are pretty deceptive and probably get called down super-light when our straight hits but not the flush.

I'd double barrel.
The check raise line is interesting.

I'd certainly go for the check raise at a higher stake as it would get more credit and it would balance out the times I do this for value.

At lower stakes I'd personally prefer a double barrel as even the tags here will make idiotic calls with draws now and again here or check back their jacks for pot control as they aren't hand reading well enough to realize are range is incredibly wide.
Also at 25NL I don't think balancing here is necessary.
I suspect the decision between the two is very marginal either way but whatever you do don't check!

If we decide to double barrel this turn as oppossed to c/r, which river cards should we be triple barrelling. I think there is more draws in our range when we double barrel the turn then when we c/r for the most part.
He will probably call us more frequently on the river with made hands( like say qj,a9) when the draws brick off, less likely when the draws complete, but there is a decent chance he could have had a draw himself. Also curious about the same scenario if our turn c/r gets called.

For instance maybe it is better to shove the river when it blanks after our turn c/r is called, and to fire river when it completes a flush draw after our turn barrel is called.

Main question i guess is how to continue on the river in both scenarios.