$25 NLHE 6-max: AQ TPTK 150bb Deep 3-way

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$25 NL HE 6-max: AQ TPTK 150bb Deep 3-way

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 54/44/1

BB is 54/44/1 over 50 hands
MP is 30/11/2 over 70 hands

Should I fire turn here? There's tons of weaker queens and draws in these guys calling range, but obv. I hate life if I get raised. Also, thoughts on bet sizing on the river?



party poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $25 (100 bb)
MP: $40.15 (160.6 bb)
CO: $31.60 (126.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $47.10 (188.4 bb)
SB: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
BB: $36.60 (146.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q
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A
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UTG folds, MP calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB calls $1, MP calls $1

Flop: ($3.85) 8
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Q
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T
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(3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.75, BB calls $2.75, MP calls $2.75

Turn: ($12.10) 2
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(3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($12.10) 6
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BB checks, MP checks, Hero ??????
 
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Multiway w that board, we're not getting raised on the turn by anything that we're ahead of, so I generally fire in that spot expecting to get calls from pretty much the same range that called the flop.

I usually bet around $7.95 on the river (to keep it under $8) - KQ/QJ/JT/KT are our most likely hands that'll call, but not if we're over $8 I think. That high will fold out a lot of Tx's I think - we might even want to go smaller, $6.95?

I don't want to make it too small, might cause KQ to spazz raise, and I wouldn't be keen on calling BB if he does that (1 AF oop - I'd think QT is too likely and possibly fold the winner).
 
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Check the flop, bet turn and river? We're not really afraid of much and we let them think their smaller pairs, Tx hands are good.

As played I think you have to bet the river. Something like $7-$8, fold to shove I suppose.

Edit: Meh the more I look at it these guys have a lot of str8 draws on that flop so betting is probably better than checking the flop. Just ignore everything I wrote and you'll be fine.
 
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I'm thinkin' a bet on the turn would fit in this situation. They're both checking & unless the BB hit a set or flopped a str8 (the checks on the river by both is confusing to me though, either the BB knows you bet the river often or he/she doesn't know how to get value out of their sets & str8s), they're both having kicker probs or on some kind of str8 draw so a check in this spot might not be the best move. The deuce on the turn is a really good card & it's a rainbow board, I'd bet 3/4 of the pot on turn somewhere around $9.
 
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All those checks you can't possibly be beat. I fire in another bullet, value bet so 1/4 pot or so, and expect a call by KQish, maybe JJ
 
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It's not the greatest flop in the world for TPTK vs. limp callers...everyone has a pair and a straight draw, except you...lots of two pair combos...our hand can't really gain much equity vs. their range. Checking the turn is fine but betting is good, too. After two rounds of checks, we have to be good, bet 2/3 PSB on the river.
 
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Dont mind checking the turn, dont mind betting it either since we can get called by worse but are almost never raised by worse so we dont have to worry about geting bluff raised to much.

On the river though im gonna disagree on the bet sizing with above posters.
I like betting pot or even a overbet here. Because:
1.Our hand is under repped, yeah sure our hand is only TPTK but they cant reallly put us on AQ here and i never expect Qx to fold to a river bet.
2. Our line is so weak that if we bet 12-15$ here im sure were gonna get alot of hero calls and spazes since it just looks so bluffy.
3.Villains are morons. I dont really think there gonna fold any hand that calls 7$ for 12$.

It obvs sucks when we get c/r on the river but thats gonna happen so litle imo we shouldnt worry about it.
 
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Should I fire turn here? There's tons of weaker queens and draws in these guys calling range, but obv. I hate life if I get raised. Also, thoughts on bet sizing on the river?

I think you should bet the turn, and I don't think it's a close decision. If you're checking back the turn because you're worried about being bluffed out of the pot, I'd go back to the mantra of "sometimes, think less."

You want to bet the turn because you have great equity versus their calling range, and you don't want to give a free card because you WILL call a river bet if you check back the turn. Now, the argument against betting the turn is if there's somehow more value in inducing a river bluff than in value betting the turn. No way in hell, says I. For three reasons: The weaker hands that might value bet (e.g. KQ) will call a turn bet anyway, secondly the ranges that call the flop usually have some showdown value (e.g. pair + gutshot), and thirdly because it's three-way and people are much less likely to bluff when it's three-way.

What do you do if you get raised on the turn? Probably fold. I actually think there's so much value in betting the turn that even if you bet/call a shove, you'll still show a profit. Obviously not as good a line as bet/folding, but the point is that value-betting here is so profitable that passing it up because you're afraid of a raise is costing you tons of money.

I could say more about the board texture and how that affects this, but I think I've been longwinded enough already.
 
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Oh: And I purposefully avoided the river bet-sizing question because I think people who play at these stakes would know better than I what sizes are likely to be called by what. We're obviously targetting Qx and Tx type hands, but how much they're willing to call, I really couldn't say.
 
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I agree that I should have bet the turn here and I instantly regretted checking as soon as I did it. Thanks guys.
 
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