$25 NLHE 6-max: AK facing 3bet from TAG

$25 NL HE 6-max: AK facing 3bet from TAG

Im 22/19/70% fold to 3bet. First few orbits i had a maniac image but if calmed down alot latly.
3bettor is 20/15 with 0% 3bet over 60hands.
Flatter is 25/23/33% fold to 3bet. He also setmines 3bet pots and i stacked him earlyer AKvsAJ in a 3bet pot.

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $9.50 (38 bb)
SB: $25.10 (100.4 bb)
BB: $35.90 (143.6 bb)
MP: $25 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $62.55 (250.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with A K
MP folds, Hero raises to $1, BTN folds, SB raises to $3.50, BB calls $3.25, Hero???

Usualy i just ship it in every time but is this the time to fold AK?
I just cant see the 3 bettor have anything else then QQ,KK,AA(if seen him flat AK and JJ).
The flatter range is much wider, probably 88-JJ, AQ+.
Do i flat,fold or ship?

Preflop spots are so boring... zzz....

Villain's Range: QQ+
AKs equity vs. Villain's Range: 34.6% (1.89:1)
Pot odds on your Shove (assuming you're called 100%): 1.14:1

Just on that alone, its a fold. But a 20/15 isn't the nittiest nit on the planet, so I have a hard time believing that he only 3-bets QQ+ from the small blind against a cut off steal. And if he starts folding things like JJ, AK to a shove, then shoving should be quite profitable.

With the set-miner in the pot, it becomes a trivially easy 4-bet IMO. I just can't put the SB on that tight of a range after 60 hands. But then again, I don't play FR.

There's a good hold'em manager article dealing with facing a 3-bet. It essentially lays out what he has to 3-bet in order for you to 4-bet/call profitably for one buy-in. And in order for 4-bet/calling AKs to be profitable, we need him to 3-bet at least 3%. That is a range of exactly JJ+ & AK. So unless you know stone cold that he never 3-bets those against a cutoff raise, then we should be 4-bet/calling or just 4-bet shoving here. If he ever 3-bets TT, AQs, ect., then this is an auto-stack.

I think the only decision here is call or 4-bet. And since the BB is deep and calls 3-bets with implied odds hands, I think we can easily rule out calling, since we don't want to put in ~150bb's bad against the BB. This of course depends on how well you play postflop, but in general I think it sounds like its going to be hard to put the BB on a range.

So yeah, I don't hate folding. Its not a huge mistake. However, I think shoving is the best play. If I had to score them on a scale of 1-10 with 5 being break even, 1 being spew, and 10 being omfg profitz then I'd say they fall about here:

Shove: 6/10
Fold: 4.5/10
Call: 4/10

Flat....your in position and BB calls makes your odds good. Your putting $2.50 into $8, in position with AKs. Stacks are deep enough to make it worth seeing the flop.

If villain in the hand below is the BB in this hand, I think I'm starting to like calling as well. If his range is mostly small pairs then obviously we'd like to 4-bet to remove him, since we're only getting action from him when he has a set. But if he's going to play super passive, chase draws without odds, then we definitely want him & his 150bb stack in the pot.

I'm sorta mixed now on which one I like best. Really, there's not a huge difference between them. Calling's a more attractive option though if the BB is really bad & readable. Issue is we're going to be putting a tenth of our stack in, yet we still can't feel comfortable about our hand if Mr. SB starts giving us action.

sindri_93 said:

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $29.55 (118.2 bb)
MP: $4.95 (19.8 bb)
CO: $36 (144 bb)
BTN: $18 (72 bb)
Hero (SB): $27.25 (109 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A

K

2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN folds, Hero raises to $3, BB folds, CO calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.25) 2

7

K

(2 players)
Hero bets $4.25, CO calls $4.25

Turn: ($14.75) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $20 and is all-in, CO calls $20

River: ($54.75) 7

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $54.75 pot ($2.70 rake)
Hero showed A

K

(two pairs, Kings and Sevens) and won $52.05 ($24.80 net)
CO mucked J

A

(a pair of Sevens) and lost (-$27.25 net)

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Yeah the flatter is the same guy, C9.

I know pre-flop spots tend to be boring but this hand honestly had my scratching my head and im pretty sure i messed it up .

60hands is a small sample but if seen him flat JJ and AK(both in postion thou).
So im having a hard time puting him on any sort of range that doesnt crush us.

p.s
can u link me to the holdem manager article?

sindri_93 said:

can u link me to the holdem manager article?

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No, because its only supposed to be distributed with hold'em manager .

Really, you can't screw this hand up terribly. You have 35% equity against QQ+, so if his range is really that small (and I think it isn't), you're making an $8.75 mistake. And sometimes the BB will come along with an inferior hand and pad your equity.

So call, fold, shove, whatever. That's what makes preflop hands so boring. You've got something that's got decent to good equity, and you really need a compelling reason for 1 play to be superior to another. Normally that would be the reverse implied odds that AK tends to have when calling 3-bets from tight players. However, if you can get the fish to come along to offset that, then it really probably doesn't make a difference either way you choose. If there's an edge here, its a small one. So while it may not be obvious what's the best choice, it doesn't really matter too much in the grand scheme of things.

Given the fish, I guess calling is fine. Just don't put too much action in on a K24 or AQJ flop against the 3-bettor.

i flat pre flop. if i hit the flop i jam the pot.