$25 NLHE 6-max: AJ 3bet pot bvsb line check

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$25 NL HE 6-max: AJ 3bet pot bvsb line check

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 22/20/3

Villain is one of the better regs if come across but tends to spew a litle in 3bet pots.
He has a 67% fold to 3bet but we also have some dynamics of me 3betting his steals light, and he hasnt been playing back at my 3bets yet.
His steal is also high.

poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $28.10 (112.4 bb)
CO: $17.90 (71.6 bb)
BTN: $32.25 (129 bb)
Hero (SB): $28.40 (113.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A
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J
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CO folds, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $3, BB folds, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($6.25) Q
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T
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3
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(2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: ($13.25) A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $9, BTN raises to $25.75 and is all-in, Hero calls $12.90 and is all-in

River: ($57.05) 5
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(2 players, 2 are all-in)

So is this spew or do u prefer any other lines here? I hate flatting OOP here,should i just open muck here?
Looking at this hand know im not sure why i didnt make it 3,50$-4$ like i probably should have.
 
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Like you said, preflop 3bet could be a little bigger, but I wouldn't have a problem just flatting here. If he's folding worse aces to your 3bet, then I would prefer calling and keeping those in. Turn spot is kinda gross with the pot being bloated. I'm not sure betting the turn will accomplish what you want it to. What better hands are folding, and what worse hands are calling that are in his 3betting calling range, (whatever that is)
 
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Like you said, preflop 3bet could be a little bigger, but I wouldn't have a problem just flatting here. If he's folding worse aces to your 3bet, then I would prefer calling and keeping those in. Turn spot is kinda gross with the pot being bloated. I'm not sure betting the turn will accomplish what you want it to. What better hands are folding, and what worse hands are calling that are in his 3betting calling range, (whatever that is)
On the turn u think c/c or maybe crai is better?
 
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well like you said i am probably 3betting higher to not give him such good odds IP against us. I also bet the flop more here say to 5 (if we 3bet to 3). These arent a huge deal I suppose just make most hands easier to play.

I have no problem with the lead on the turn especially if he spews a lot. Crai is fine but only if we think he is firing a lot of bluffs here, which imo is probably not true. c/c is only fine if you think he will never ever bet and have less than 2 pair here and he gives you odds to chase, not really a line I like much.
 
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well like you said i am probably 3betting higher to not give him such good odds IP against us. I also bet the flop more here say to 5 (if we 3bet to 3). These arent a huge deal I suppose just make most hands easier to play.
Agreed 3betting size is dumb and a result of me beeing sloppy.
The c-bet on the other hand im not sure about. Am i wrong in my thinking that you need/should c-bet a lesser amount in 3bet pots since it so easy to get it in by the river? Cause that might be a leak for me then, 3bet pots my standard c-bet is just over half the pot(standard pots 75-100% the pot amount).


I have no problem with the lead on the turn especially if he spews a lot. Crai is fine but only if we think he is firing a lot of bluffs here, which imo is probably not true. c/c is only fine if you think he will never ever bet and have less than 2 pair here and he gives you odds to chase, not really a line I like much.
If he has started to catch on to my 3bets his range might actualy have alot of bluffs in them, KQ,99,78s type hands that would probably fire at the turn given his AG thinking i either had a JJ type hand or putting me on complete air.
 
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Well when you decrease your bet size you are still giving pretty decent odds to anything he wants to do (float/draw/made hand w/e) and if he is good he isnt folding just because its a bigger amount than he is use to. I guess this isnt something i have played around with but I dont really see the logic behind cbetting less in 3bet pots unless villians are calling way to much PF and folding a lot PF(is the case a lot btw and betting less is good).
 
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The reason I would check the turn is because I don't think he will continue, without at least an ace. Most of those which beat you anyway. If you check you give him a chance to make a mistake, since he might bet with his air , 2nd best hands and some semibluffs, that would fold to your turn bet. If he checks behind there are more river cards that will help you than hurt you and after the turn action he may look you up lighter if you bet the river.
 
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3bet ~3x IP, 3.5-4x OOP.

Flop we should bet more, at least 3/4 pot. We really want to pressure JJ/Tx/even Qx into a fold if possible. If he peeled with QJ/KQ/heart draws he's not folding as that's the perfect barreling card.
 
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Villain showed up with AT.
That really got me thinking since i think i could have gotten him to fold if i c-bet 3/4-pot instead of 1/2 in this spot, but then again he tends to spew 3bet pots so he might just ship middle pair on the flop.
 
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