$25 NLHE 6-max: AA 3ways on turn, all small board.

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UTG 8 hands 14/14/1
Button 221 hands 17/12/2AF fold to 3b 1/2
Hero plays overall 28/20/2.5AF, amazingly good lag with a 6% 3b. this is how button would probably see me.

Hand really bothered me, and it wasn't the outcome that bothered me, but the fact that I didn't know what to do.

So tell me what you guys think.

First, this is what I think. I could have 3bet bigger. Turn, I kinda have to shove, in which case I only get called by worse, and after both players called the cbet I believe 1 at least to have a set.


888 Poker - $0.30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $18.50 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BB): $30.00
UTG: $29.55 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $30.00 (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 31)
BTN: $40.47 (VPIP: 17.27, PFR: 11.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.19, Hands: 221)

SB posts SB $0.15, Hero posts BB $0.30

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.45) Hero has A:diamond: A:heart:

UTG raises to $0.90, fold, BTN calls $0.90, fold, Hero raises to $3.00, UTG calls $2.10, BTN calls $2.10

Flop: ($9.15, 3 players) 5:heart: T:spade: 8:club:
Hero bets $5.10, UTG calls $5.10, BTN calls $5.10

Turn: ($24.45, 3 players) 4:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $8.00, fold, UTG raises to $21.45, BTN calls $13.45

River: ($67.35, 2 players) A:club:
 
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BTN has a set OTF. What else does he overcall with? UTG probably has one too.

As played you have to check/fold turn. Pretty gross, but you are beat and no point putting more money in there.

I would only add to make squeeze sizing bigger, along with OOP 3-bet sizing bigger also.
 
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Yea, the patterns are pretty intriguing here... With the action on the flop I would agree that at least 1 of the players hit trips unfortunately. The BTN calling the reraise establishes that a bit more. Either someone's really trying to make a play on ya or they hit trips, and I'm thinkin 10's.

How'd it end up?
 
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Yea, the patterns are pretty intriguing here... With the action on the flop I would agree that at least 1 of the players hit trips unfortunately. The BTN calling the reraise establishes that a bit more. Either someone's really trying to make a play on ya or they hit trips, and I'm thinkin 10's.

How'd it end up?

I will post results a little later on after a few more people give their thoughts as I don't want the result to influence people's decision.
 
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Well if I had to bet I'd put UTG on TT and the BTN on 88/55. UTG could have a slight overpair here and think that with the tiny bet from the BTN he can push him off of whatever hand he has. Guaranteed though that BTN has a set here.
 
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squeeze bigger pre please!

i like check folding the turn here
 
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actually this isnt always a set. People play jj and qq the same way and perhaps even 99 depending on how bad they are.
 
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I think you played it right, sucks though. :(
 
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so you hit your trips on the river after having folded? or am i not reading it correctly?
cause if thats the case,i think you played it good and got unlucky to see that ace hit. It feels like when you folded ,you were probably beat,so i guess it was a good fold.
 
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As said bigger pre and I'd go bigger on the flop. It might be a fold on the turn as played but if your bets had been bigger it's not one I would make.
 
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Pretty gross but I really feel like no one slowplays a set in a 3-bet pot.
 
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so you hit your trips on the river after having folded? or am i not reading it correctly?
cause if thats the case,i think you played it good and got unlucky to see that ace hit. It feels like when you folded ,you were probably beat,so i guess it was a good fold.


Didn't even notice an Ace fell on river until I posted the hand here. At the moment I had to focus on another table.
 
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Hmmm theres always an offchance that the guys making a monster play with 67 on the button... He might've even put you on aces and knows if he hits he'll cash in.

It's a big play and risky so not many do it, but it doesn't mean people don't do it... Tables running hot you might find someone taking advantage and pushing their luck especially when their up for the night and not afraid to play out of the box.

Just an idea... On the flop your doomed he's always going to call that open ender because this was the best possible flop he wanted. Then BOOM turn hits and he's just wondering how much he's going to cash up. Sometimes the hands you least expect get in there and really gripe you big time.

67s would go pretty good in a 3way there. On the button and he's up 10 dollars in the table perhaps he'd take a gamble.


**bonus to this play as well** people tilt after these hands... and it'll be a great time to get prems in the next 2 wheels :)
 
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Well that's it sorted, he has 67s! I can feel it too.
 
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Hmmm theres always an offchance that the guys making a monster play with 67 on the button... He might've even put you on aces and knows if he hits he'll cash in.

It's a big play and risky so not many do it, but it doesn't mean people don't do it... Tables running hot you might find someone taking advantage and pushing their luck especially when their up for the night and not afraid to play out of the box.

Just an idea... On the flop your doomed he's always going to call that open ender because this was the best possible flop he wanted. Then BOOM turn hits and he's just wondering how much he's going to cash up. Sometimes the hands you least expect get in there and really gripe you big time.

67s would go pretty good in a 3way there. On the button and he's up 10 dollars in the table perhaps he'd take a gamble.


**bonus to this play as well** people tilt after these hands... and it'll be a great time to get prems in the next 2 wheels :)

Unfortunately, that one hand does not appear all that often in a 3bet pot, unless btn was enticed by the 3 way preflop. But it's a stretch, a really long stretch. I'd put my money on a set 99 percent of the time here! Just look at the stats 17/12 Rarely plays 67s like that if ever
 
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Well, I am glad everyone thinks I made a good fold, actually feel a lot better about my play even tho I should have made it bigger preflop.
 
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888 Poker - $0.30 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $18.50 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (BB): $30.00
UTG: $29.55 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $30.00 (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 31)
BTN: $40.47 (VPIP: 17.27, PFR: 11.82, 3Bet Preflop: 5.19, Hands: 221)

SB posts SB $0.15, Hero posts BB $0.30

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.45) Hero has A:diamond: A:heart:

UTG raises to $0.90, fold, BTN calls $0.90, fold, Hero raises to $3.00, UTG calls $2.10, BTN calls $2.10

Flop: ($9.15, 3 players) 5:heart: T:spade: 8:club:
Hero bets $5.10, UTG calls $5.10, BTN calls $5.10

Turn: ($24.45, 3 players) 4:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN bets $8.00, fold, UTG raises to $21.45, BTN calls $13.45

River: ($67.35, 2 players) A:club:

UTG shows 9:club: T:club: (One Pair, Tens) (Pre 22%, Flop 27%, Turn 12%)
BTN shows Q:heart: Q:diamond: (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 78%, Flop 73%, Turn 88%)
BTN wins $63.99
 
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find UTG and bum hunt him till his rolls gone.
 
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And that is why you make it bigger preflop. Honestly even though it wasn't the right move this particular instance I feel that you made the right move long term.
 
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This was the absolute best case scenario for my Aces but there are so many more worst scenarios where I lost a buy in.
 
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An unknown and a bad tag call a raggy flop cbet in a 3bet pot and all of a sudden they both have sets or one of the 4 turned combos of straights??? There are zero realistic 2 pair combos, 9 sets, 4 straights, and like a MILLION JJ-QQ/Tx/99/QJ-type hands.

Double barrel shove turn AINEC.
 
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