$25 NLHE 6-max: 4bet sizing?

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MP: $25 (100 bb) fishy tourist over small sample, 47/15~
CO: $32.76 (131 bb)
Hero (BTN): $28.95 (115.8 bb)
SB: $19.85 (79.4 bb) seemed really 3bet happy over small sample
BB: $9.74 (39 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K
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MP posts BB OOP, MP checks, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $2.75, BB folds, MP calls $2.50, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds

Whats our best play? Wasnt sure about jaming straight away or 4beting to let him come over the top? What sizing would you use here?
 
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TBH if your 4-betting there with MP having limped the 3-bet I'd go bigger IMO (9-10$). Your 4-bet here however is obv screaming QQ+ or AK to both sb and MP so they are folding out any hands weaker than AK for sure.

If you were actually looking to GII pre I'd probably just jam as a 4-bet as could be more likely to get a call as TBH a jam in that spot looks weaker than a 4-bet IMO. Jam says go away, 4-bet says I wan't to play a bigger pot but again just my thoughts.
 
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TBH if your 4-betting there with MP having limped the 3-bet I'd go bigger IMO (9-10$). Your 4-bet here however is obv screaming QQ+ or AK to both sb and MP so they are folding out any hands weaker than AK for sure.

If you were actually looking to GII pre I'd probably just jam as a 4-bet as could be more likely to get a call as TBH a jam in that spot looks weaker than a 4-bet IMO. Jam says go away, 4-bet says I wan't to play a bigger pot but again just my thoughts.
Thanks for replying.

Problem with jaming is that i leave them only with 2 options - either call of fold. So theoretically they will have stronger ranges when they call me unless MP is a monkey.

If i 4bet, i give them a chance to spazz out and overplay some hands...
 
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lol @ MP flatting the 3bet

4betting $7.00 or more leaves you with basically one option postflop. If your 4bet gets called by just one player, the pot is now $15+ and you only have a stack of about $21. If it gets called by both players, the pot is larger than your stack. The money is going to go in on the flop anyway.

Just 4bet shove. You can't play it like a deep stack game.
 
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lol @ MP flatting the 3bet

4betting $7.00 or more leaves you with basically one option postflop. If your 4bet gets called by just one player, the pot is now $15+ and you only have a stack of about $21. If it gets called by both players, the pot is larger than your stack. The money is going to go in on the flop anyway.

Just 4bet shove. You can't play it like a deep stack game.

Hmm, I`m curious what if i 4bet to like 5$? Sounds really small and im like inviting them to come in the pot...
 
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Hmm, I`m curious what if i 4bet to like 5$? Sounds really small and im like inviting them to come in the pot...

Ehh..I'll never recommend min-raising. It's just not effective and gets little respect if at all. If you're going to 4bet, it's got to be at least $7 - I'd say $8-$9 - so shoving is best.
 
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Just saw your comment in the OP about SB being 3bet happy. Definitely shove.
 
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

MP: $25 (100 bb) fishy tourist over small sample, 47/15~
CO: $32.76 (131 bb)
Hero (BTN): $28.95 (115.8 bb)
SB: $19.85 (79.4 bb) seemed really 3bet happy over small sample
BB: $9.74 (39 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K
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MP posts BB OOP, MP checks, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $2.75, BB folds, MP calls $2.50, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds

Whats our best play? Wasnt sure about jaming straight away or 4beting to let him come over the top? What sizing would you use here?[/quote


Is AKs the right hand to 4-bet against SB (no stats that he is a fish: or does SB being 3-bet happy mean that he could call with AQ,AJ, KQ, etc.? 3-bet happy doesn't mean 4-bet happy..) with chances to end up involved in a MW-pot...... Against 1 player with a pocket pair which is more likely to call a 4-bet it is a coinflip or worse.. I only 4 bet AK against fish... I would want folds with AK against 2 players ratherr than calls so it is a semi-bluff for me and 4-bet larger or jam is better.... allthough I would do neither...Maybe I'm not right...
 
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

MP: $25 (100 bb) fishy tourist over small sample, 47/15~
CO: $32.76 (131 bb)
Hero (BTN): $28.95 (115.8 bb)
SB: $19.85 (79.4 bb) seemed really 3bet happy over small sample
BB: $9.74 (39 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K
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MP posts BB OOP, MP checks, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $2.75, BB folds, MP calls $2.50, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds

Whats our best play? Wasnt sure about jaming straight away or 4beting to let him come over the top? What sizing would you use here?[/quote


Is AKs the right hand to 4-bet against SB (no stats that he is a fish: or does SB being 3-bet happy mean that he could call with AQ,AJ, KQ, etc.? 3-bet happy doesn't mean 4-bet happy..) with chances to end up involved in a MW-pot...... Against 1 player with a pocket pair which is more likely to call a 4-bet it is a coinflip or worse.. I only 4 bet AK against fish... I would want folds with AK against 2 players ratherr than calls so it is a semi-bluff for me and 4-bet larger or jam is better.... allthough I would do neither...Maybe I'm not right...
Dont you make some assumptions by SB`s stack size?
 
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with this stacksizes i think is probably a shove... but if you were really deep that was actually an excelent play...


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I don't like a shove here. I get what everyone is saying regarding the stack sizes but does anyone think we get a lot of value from a call?

I guess the question is do you think you get more value from either of their pf shove calling range or their post flop shove calling/folding decisions? I might actually say the latter.
 
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