$25 NLHE 6-max: 4bet called OOP. Need help w Range and cbet

pocketehs

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Villain is a 4 tabling zoom reg and not much info. I've played more hands with him but got a new db so lost all stats.

I think its weird for him to call the 4bet IP. Im pretty lost with his range OTF.

Surely it can include JJ+/AK but what else? Is everyone cbetting OTF? 4Bet sizing if fine right?


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $41.34 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 21.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 64)
SB: $31.14 (VPIP: 15.85, PFR: 10.98, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 84)
BB: $26.27 (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: $27.78 (VPIP: 34.48, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 60)
Hero (MP): $25.00
CO: $35.01 (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K:diamond: A:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.00, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $5.00, CO calls $3.00

Flop: ($10.35, 2 players) 9:diamond: Q:spade: 7:diamond:
Hero
 
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I think you have to c-bet here if you want any chance at taking the pot down. If you check, you know villain is betting and you're basically giving up the hand. Could you really check/call here? I don't think so. If you check, he bets $5, and you call, the pot is now ~$20 and your stack is ~$15. If he bets more than $5, the situation is worse. Your only move after that is shipping the turn and hoping he was c-betting with air or is willing to fold a hand like 1010/JJ.

Either way, if you're putting money in on the flop, your only move is to ship the turn (or fold). That's the downside of non-deepstack poker.

I'd say c-bet $7.00-$7.50 and try to take it down.

EDIT: I actually don't like 4betting here because you are OOP. As you noticed, it put you in a difficult spot postflop with a large pot. I may be a little more passive than I should be, but playing a hand like AK OOP against someone who flatted your 4bet makes me a tad bit uncomfortable.
 
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No don't cbet 7-7.50. Wayyyy too much. Hes folding to half pot just as fast. 4bet sizing is fine and I cbet about 5.50-5.75

And ofc he's 4betting oop. I'd rather flat ip. We take it down with our 4bet a ton here and hate flatting oop when we have no initiative
 
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No don't cbet 7-7.50. Wayyyy too much. Hes folding to half pot just as fast. 4bet sizing is fine and I cbet about 5.50-5.75

And ofc he's 4betting oop. I'd rather flat ip. We take it down with our 4bet a ton here and hate flatting oop when we have no initiative

The reason I don't like 4betting here OOP is because of the stack sizes. You can never get to the river without shoving, so there is "less room" to play poker postflop.

I feel like villain's 3betting range and 4bet flatting range are very similar, so if he believes villain is 3betting light, he can flat and go from there with more money to play postflop. Hero can logically put money in the pot on the flop and turn without having to just shove.
 
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You can bet/fold $5 to get him off a split and possibly TT. You have 34 combos of hands that beat you on the flop, and only 14 that you SPLIT with. I'm not sure I can assign him a wider range, so it's optimistic to think you have ~28% equity in a spot like this. Really hard to push him off. We can't really CRAI because there's not much worse hands he'd bet (like say the flop didn't have a Q) like AQ and get him to over commit by betting. Honestly on this flop bet/folding $5 and c/fing are probably pretty neutral EV, but I'd have to do some math to tell you exactly.
 
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