Originally Posted by pocketehs
like I kinda get why youre stacking off pre becos of odds but at best when we get called arent we like a flip?
When I first looked at the hand I was thinking like QQ/JJ/AhKx as well but you said itd be super bad of the villain to play the hand like that. Can you explain to me dude?
I think I kinda maybe get it lol
Not stacking off because of odds,
More often then not it will be a flip, assuming I get folds from 9s, im prob crushed around 25%.
Sure, so basically when im checking this flop im very polarized, so assuming villain is decent in which case hes semi decent I can play semi optimally.
My thought process;
So any overpair to the board should be bet calling off as my range is more so weighted towards air rather than crushing the flop.easy right, because any Ax/Kx with the heart etc im betting this flop, so when i check to villain and he doesnt bet, imo he can never have an overpair except AA/KK with a heart, as any other combo, he risks losing all his equity on the turn when a heart comes, so once done i just disregard overpairs as their are far more combos that arent containing the heart, so +ev right, because a lot less chance he has an over pair with a heart.
Now when i check flop, imo I kinda have to check turn, i hear what people are saying about betting 1/3 pot, but mehh, think my line is slightly better.
When he bets turn and not flop his range is now polarized also, again only a small amount of combos that are in his range crush me so, im pretty sure i have decent FE, as I think he checks back all his 9s< with a heart as hes got decent SD value and can re-evalutate river in pos.
So against a nutted range were im crushed in comparison to when im slightly ahead, along with FE, imo its +ev to shove rather than fold.
Again i check flop with the intention to snap fold, hand didnt play out that way so i adjusted..Which is key, no good it did though as he spiked a heart on the river, but mehh, irrelevant.
If this doesnt explain it, then just ask again and il try go into more detail or make it simpler.
Originally Posted by AlwaysPlanAhe
There's nothing to get. Don't call 5bets or 6bet shove 33 preflop with no FE at micro-stakes ever. It's not a sicko or lag move, it's not some deeper level thinking concept...it's just plain silly...no matter what anyone says. Like I can't even stress that enough, it cannot be rationalised in any way to be a +EV decision either immediately in showdown or potentially in future hands.
This is one example of what i say as a joke to be taken as gospel, chill-lax..
Originally Posted by hackmeplz
If you're stacking off I much prefer 4b shoving yourself over 4betting your size and calling a shove.
4-bet size is standard imo being oop. I think ive more FE with a 4 bet, but yeah seems fine also...
Originally Posted by ChuckTs
Great contribution, i hate shit like this were people just +1 a post with loads to be discussed about the post, makes no since...
Its obv fine for a simple aggreement like yes/no.