$25 NLHE 6-max: 3b JJ vs a nit who flats the calls OTF, i bet nothing on the turn. line?

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$25 NLHE 6-max: 3b JJ vs a nit who flats the calls OTF, i bet nothing on the turn. line?

EDIT: lol wow i just realised how retarded the title is (its 6.30am, oops). supposed to be "3b JJ vs a nit who flats, then calls OTF. i beat nothing on the turn. line?"

So i only have 28 hands on villain, but hes 4/4. hes raised one hand since ive seen him and that was from the CO also.

Obv no idea what hes opening/flatting 3bs with, but being that tight in such a small sample isnt going to make me not 3b pre. Standard Cbet on the flop, but when he flats im in a hell of a spot OTT.

Honestly i had no idea how to play from here. my logic at the time was that if i bet, im only getting called by better, but if i check, i might get some of his flop floating range (assuming he has at least a few floats) to try push me out OTT. looking back now, a lot of the problem i think is that i bet too much OTF. dunno why i bet this big, usually my sizing here would be about $3.80-$4 :\

if he doesnt bet turn, plan was to c/c non heart/non A rivers. when he bet, i figure if i call turn im calling most rivers anyway, so just GII for the times he has AhX oe something but yeah over all not really happy at all here.

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poker stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1884168
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SB: $27.83
Hero (BB): $42.05
UTG: $16.92
MP: $25.35
CO: $18.60
BTN: $14.62

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with J
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J
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2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, CO calls $2.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.85) T
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5
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3
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(2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, CO calls $4.50

Turn: ($15.85) 7
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(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.50, Hero raises to $34.55 all in, CO calls $5.60 all in

River: ($38.05) J
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(2 players - 2 are all in)
 
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28 hands isnt enough to not 3 bet JJ there. Personally I shove the turn cos we dont want him checking behind. Cooler I think though if youre beat.
 
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i think shoving the turn sucks though cos he can never have worse and if he somehow does i dont think hes ever calling off worse- exception being AhTx but i dont feel like hes gunna be showing up with shit like that a lot
 
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i think shoving the turn sucks though cos he can never have worse and if he somehow does i dont think hes ever calling off worse- exception being AhTx but i dont feel like hes gunna be showing up with shit like that a lot

Is he bluffing much here though if you open the door for him? If he has you beat its going in anyway surely.
You think you can fold to a turn shove from him?
 
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28 hands isnt enough to not 3 bet JJ there.

Yes it is. There is no way this guy is going to transform in to a 30/15 fish. JJ is a flat here and it's not close. Even if he raised every hand from now up until he had 50 hands he would still only be a 26/26. :p
 
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Yes it is. There is no way this guy is going to transform in to a 30/15 fish. JJ is a flat here and it's not close. Even if he raised every hand from now up until he had 50 hands he would still only be a 26/26. :p

That doesnt mean hes going to be a 4/4 for the next 200 hands. Being 'card dead' for 27 hands is very possible. It doesnt mean hes not nittish but I dont like flatting oop 3 way.
 
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Chances are this guy will be a nit. Not a 4/4 but probably a 10/8 or 14/7 simply because his stats are so extreme.

Would you not 3 bet a cutoff open from a 10/8 with JJ? I personally would, maybe I just found another leak! Id flat in position but not oop.
 
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Weird hand.
Anyway, you saw my line. I check shoved the turn and he rolled AA inc the Ah so I binked my 1 outer on the river lul. Run good
 
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So if we think flat pre ainec, what's my flop move? Check raise gii or check raise shut down?
Prob shouldnt have posted results before I asked that but eh I'm drunk lol
 
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i dont think you can x/r get it in vs a 10/8 and be in good shape when you flat. Might donk or something to take control of the hand, especially considering he might just check boards like this a lot multiway whilst still call donks with hands that bet anyways.
 
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Tight players don't have many flushes in their ranges. Even if he had AQ-AK of hearts he would have get it in on the flop with FD+ 2 overs. So i think he either has a set or an overpair and you 2 outered him on the river.
 
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i still dont get how to not go broke here.

acky thinks donk flop, what if he raises, shutdown? if he flats flop, im in the same spot again on the turn just with a worse SPR

decos for c/c flop, then i guess you like c/c turn c/f river?
 
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Donking is good if the btn is a weaker player, it keeps the 10/8 honest and doesnt give them a free card if they are drawing/don't cbet like 80%. x/c is fine but you shouldnt be going broke in this spot vs a 10/8 imo, maybe x/c a street is good then hoping he slows down or x/c two on good cards and x/f river or maybe just x/f turns. If a weaker player is in the hand though i much prefer donking to get value myself as the 10/8 will just fold outright a lot with a ton of his range whilst the overcaller will have weaker Tx hands and draws that will just let us value own him.
 
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Ye this is getting really confusing for me cos obv I squeezed someone else out, but I don't remember his stats and therefore what I'd assume he'd do if I didn't squeeze
 
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i still dont get how to not go broke here.

acky thinks donk flop, what if he raises, shutdown? if he flats flop, im in the same spot again on the turn just with a worse SPR

decos for c/c flop, then i guess you like c/c turn c/f river?

Defo c/f river. Tempted to c/f turn, defo c/fing to an overcard, staying in otherwise as he can have Tx or flush draws but don't expect many, we can rule the tens out somewhat if he bets huge.
 
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