$25 NLHE 6-max: $25nl TT v Possible light 4bet

$25 NL HE 6-max: $25nl TT v Possible light 4bet

full tilt poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $49.70
SB: $25.50
BB: $55.75
UTG: $62.75
MP: $18.10
Hero (CO): $25.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is CO with T:heart: T:diamond:
UTG raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.25, 3 folds, UTG raises to $7, Hero ???

Villain is 35/25 and his Early/Middle position stats are real loose: 50/50 and 56/36. He 3bets 11%, but no stats on 4betting. We've been 3betting each other a bit, and my 3bet is 10%.

So I guess I'll start jotting my own ideas down and see where it goes.

At the point of his 4bet, putting in the rest of my money gives me 1.47:1

In that case, I need 40.5% equity to continue. If his 5bet calling range is {TT+, AQ+} then I'm getting 40.14%. Seems like a pretty reasonable range for him to call with, it's 4.3% of total hands. So I guess it hinges on whether his calling range is wider or narrower than this. Add one hand like AJs and it's +EV. Based on the table dynamics I'd tend to think a hand like AJs or 99 might in fact call.

If my thinking so far is correct, than it's looking like shoving would be the best move?

If you think he opens wide enough UTG for you to 3-bet this for value, then you certainly need to stack it when he 4-bets you.

What sample size are those 50/50 stats over? 2 hands?

It was 150 hands at the time. But I don't know how many HEM counts as UTG. I think when there are 5 people at the table, it's counting as MP, which is why I included the MP stats as well as UTG.

You can certainly jam profitably here, with the description provided. I would.

Do you normally 3bet that big?

if you've been 3 betting each other alot and this is the first time he's 4bet, then id give him credit fir a good hand even though the 4 bet was pretty lame. He just might be a bad player.

slycbnew said:

Do you normally 3bet that big?

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I usually go somewhere between 3.5-4x. He made it 3bb instead of 4, and I put in my 3bet as if he'd raised to 4x preflop basically.

At the time of my bet, my hand just crushes his range so hard that my goal is to get a nice pot going that I can fire a flop and turn bet into and have stacks in the middle.

Say I raise to 3x. I make it $2.25 and he calls, the pot is $4.50 with an SPR of ~5. Not bad if I flop an overpair, but over half the time that's not going to be the case, and when we get stacks in, I don't really love how my TT looks.

When I make it $3.25 and he calls the pot is $6.50, the SPR is 3.4. I'm much more comfortable shipping stacks in with one overcard in this scenario than the above one.

With such a wide opening range, I also assumed that he was going to flat my 3bet pretty wide as well, and this was the scenario for which I was preparing. When he 4bet me, my whole hand's gameplan got trashed and I had to try and decide what to do in response.

Whether or not you stack is something you should decide when you 3bet in the first place. Makes decisions much easier.

Your hand is either a hand you're 3betting as a) a bluff that you intend to fold to a 4bet (unless you think you can 5bet shove profitably, doubtful at 25nl), b) a value 3bet that you will jam over a 4bet because you think his range is wide enough to get it in profitably, or c) a hand you're 3betting for value because you think he'll call lots but against his 4bet range you do poorly enough that you have to fold.

Given your description we can definitely 3bet with the intention of getting it in, so we can stick to our plan and jam.

Nice, that's where I need to learn still with 3bets. Having a plan for 4bets. They happen so little at the stakes I play, that I don't spend much time thinking about that dynamic.