$25 NLHE 6-max: $25 NLHE 6-max: River spot

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PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 58.64 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 11)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 72.96 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
CO: 90 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
BTN: 143.04 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 11)

BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1 BB) Hero has 8:club: 8:diamond:

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10 BB, 3 players) 7:heart: 4:spade: 8:heart:
Hero bets 8.84 BB, MP calls 8.84 BB, fold

Turn: (27.68 BB, 2 players) T:club:
Hero bets 19.04 BB, MP calls 19.04 BB

River: (65.76 BB, 2 players) K:heart:
Hero ???

42BB behind
 
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Really close between check-calling and check-folding. If we jam here, I seriously doubt a worse hand is calling unless Villain is a fish. TT, 56s, and J9s have us crushed, and all the flushes got there. No one pair hand is calling us on this run-out, and sets/two pairs should have gotten it in OTF or OTT, except maybe for TT. In game I would probably fold, but might end up sigh calling a jam. But I think the right move here is to check-fold. Villain shouldn't be turning his SDV hands into bluffs, we're losing to every value hand he has OTR, and he really shouldn't be calling our jams with worse hands unless he somehow thinks we're FOS and wants to try to be a hero.
 
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How can you discount sets and two pairs but not straights? If anything it is the complete opposite and sets might slow play against this flop and run out because villain is a passive station and is afraid I raised 65 UTG and flopped the nuts. With that said I think villain is checking back everything we beat and jamming enough flushes and sets/2 pair on river to make calling pretty awkward.

Isn't just shoving for value better here? Sometimes he hits a flush but we have a 2/3rd pot bet left behind and can squeeze out value from a fish that probably calls too much. How often is a fish folding two pair with this little behind?

Most ranges I put into calc end up being about 52% to 48% equity in my favor on river and that is if villain has every combo of Ahxh besides AK.
 
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Ugh. Given his passive preflop stats I just shove. But lots of hands fold to our shove, and all the draws missed. I say just ship it in and pray he slow-played aces or something equally retarded. Check/folding a set seems really gross this committed.
 
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Looking at his stats and stack size, he is clearly a fish. Fish do not hand read and say, "Oh! He might have flopped the nuts with 56s from UTG!" They are probably not that positionally aware, and anyway almost never is 56s opened from UTG. That is way too loose. And fwiw, I'm pretty sure that's the last hand a fish or a reg would put an UTG raiser on on this type of board.

When a fish has a good hand that he likes, he's going with it no matter how much strength you show. He might be slowplaying a set due to his passive stats, not because he's afraid you flopped the nuts with 56s. But 27/9 is not that passive. I'd be more inclined to jam if he were a whale with something like 65/10 or 65/5. Anyway, I'm getting in even bottom set on this board vs UTG OTF or OTT; people stack off way too light with overpairs at these stakes.

When you jam here, what exactly are you getting called by that's worse? Maybe a stubborn JJ/QQ, if he didn't 3-bet it pre and feels committed. He may be a fish, but he's folding out all one pair hands unless he's feeling really frisky and going to try to hero you with 55/66/99, which are reasonable hands to call down OTF/OTT with given his stats. He has gs + 2 outs to three of a kind. You are crushed by 56s and J9s, and by 1010. KK too if he's really that passive, but even most fish 3-bet that pre. He's always calling with flushes, which make up a decent portion of his range. Also, because of the board and your hand, you pretty much block all two pair combos he could realistically have: 78s and 108s.

I think I prefer check-call a little better, but jamming probably isn't that much worse. Check-calling at least gives him a chance to bluff at it, although I don't really see that many bluffs in his range at this point other than 55/66. If you really think he's jamming all combos of flushes, 2p, and sets, then you should check-call instead. Now you get value from 2p, lower sets, and bluffs. As opposed if you just jam, you only get value from 2p and lower sets unless he want to try to hero you with a one pair hand and just doesn't want to believe you. But as stated earlier, 2p is really unlikely on this run-out due to blockers, and lower sets/JJ/QQ really should have gotten it in on a wet, connected board OTF or OTT.

What did he have? :)
 
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if we are calling isn't it better to just jam since he is checking back a lot of hands we beat? Even if he is folding those hands a lot we still give him a chance to make a mistake by us pushing vs letting him play well by us checking and him checking back. I also didn't mean he was hand reading well, just meant a lot of fish are afraid to raise without the nuts. I'll tell what he had later :p
 
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if we are calling isn't it better to just jam since he is checking back a lot of hands we beat? Even if he is folding those hands a lot we still give him a chance to make a mistake by us pushing vs letting him play well by us checking and him checking back. I'll tell what he had later :p

The only way ch/calling is better is if he has some hands he'll turn into bluffs when the scare card hits that he'd never call a shove with. Since this guy seems like the passive-station type I don't think that applies here. I just ship it in and hope he calls with worse.
 
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I jammed and villain called with K7s, which he may or may not have checked back, IDK. I find these 30/10 players calling down 3 barrels super light on Bovada.
 
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ever thought about betting very small because most of the time, a big parte of the range you are beating is folding to a river bet , so a thin value bet of 1/5 is getting them.. also it gives u the chance of folding if ever get shoved on , i dont think someone is ever doing that with an Ah blocker on this stakes
 
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Meh just shove. Not enough history and he has a gap between his vpip and pfr which means he isn't a good player.
 
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