25$ NL 6-max: Light 3-bet flops nut straight, slowplay 200bb's deep?

Reads on BTN after 937 hands:
38/13/31%
Fold to c-bet = 46%
Fold to 3-bet = 10%

BTN: $110.14 (440.6 bb)
SB: $19.68 (78.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $49.91 (199.6 bb)
MP: $25.92 (103.7 bb)
CO: $55.02 (220.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 6 8
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.85, SB folds, Hero raises to $3.20, BTN calls $2.35

Flop: ($6.50) 7 5 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.75, BTN raises to $7.50

So this guy floats everything. Prolly a rough hand to 3-bet light with, but preflop aside, what's the best way to get 200 bb's in the middle here? Call & check/bomb the turn, or just jam right here?

3bet smallish to induce shoves from 88+ and draws imo, and to set up a nice shove size on the turn. I like $20.

Agree with Chuck. Something in the $15 to $20 range to make it look you're trying to get him to go away cheap.

though it's not ideal because i suspect he'll fold pretty often, i'm still not slowplaying here. just way too many action-killers and we're OOP, he doesn't seem to be a very good player so he'll stack of with a lot of things he shouldn't. i 3ball it to $18, maybe $20 if you think he'll think $18 looks too valuey and strong etc.

Pretty solid consensus here for the 16-20 range. Anyone think there's any merit to just shoving or clicking it back? This guy doesn't like to give up postflop, so CiB'ing might get calls from his whole range. And since he doesn't like folding, shoving might get calls from a wide range as well? Do we think there's enough draws in his range that raising to 18$ would allow him to call with some of them?

There's merit to shoving if you think the crazy overbet is likely to induce a call, but I think that by raising small you're more likely to induce a shove because the villain will think he has good FE.

Depending on your read, a min raise here will make you look weak than a real raise here and might not scare him away. So, I'm, thinking min-raise to $13+. But this is read dependent. If he spooks, you won't get his 200bb's in the middle, so a check call has merit....let him lead the betting. Keep in mind that I am no ring game specialist, but I am profitable at ring this year albeit a small profit.

I don't like just calling the flop. I would most often put the villain on an overpair or two high hearts. In the first case, there are many cards that can come on the turn that will freeze up your action. In the second case, there are several cards that can come on the turn that will have you drawing dead. The flop's really your best opportunity to get a lot of chips in the pot ahead.

I don't think that's the best way to get 200BB into the pot. The best way to get 200BB in the pot is to have a cooler or to slowplay until you get sucked out on. Getting 200 BB per player into a pot is unusual. I wouldn't be so focused on getting all the chips in, just on maximizing value.

Meh, I shoved, he folded. I'm not sure there's much difference between shoving and betting 20$ tho, since either way it commits us (and him if he calls). I just didn't want a 6 or heart to peel off and keep him from getting all in with aces or whatever. I suppose next time I'll try not shoving? This line just seems non-optimal though, since so much of his range is made of air.

given any decent indication that the other player likely has a big pair, i love to just shove in spots like this. but this player, he raises the button and then calls a 3bet when his fold to 3bet is 10%. his range is pretty wide, so i like the smaller raise better

combuboom said:

given any decent indication that the other player likely has a big pair, i love to just shove in spots like this. but this player, he raises the button and then calls a 3bet when his fold to 3bet is 10%. his range is pretty wide, so i like the smaller raise better

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Like, just shove the flop? Or bet/3-bet shove? I thought about just shoving, or check/bombing. But idk, I think I wanted to protect the times I c-bet with air by c-betting with the nuts here. This guy's a semi-reg, so metagame does factor into play here.

I don't think you have to worry about balancing your range a whole lot, unless you are playing with good players with whom you play ALOT (highly unlikely at nl25). I'm not saying it isn't important at all, but your primary goal in this spot should be to get stacks in, not worrying too much about your image.

I'd probably tank and make it something stupid like $16. min raises tilt the hell out of ppl, and i don't think you have to protect against draws here (if he has the fd he is shoving over you anyways).