$.25/.50 FLHE Full Ring: Should I have raised earlier and if so would it have made a difference?

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$.25/.50 FL HE Full Ring: Should I have raised earlier and if so would it have made a difference?

I'm BB with two Villains in early position and two villains in mid position. Villain 2 raises .25 and everyone both mid position Villains call as well as early position.

Flop is :9s4: :8c4: :5h4: and I'm holding :6c4: :7c4: , so I flopped a straight.

Everyone checks, so I raise .25 Villain 1 calls and Villain 2 raise .50 and Villain 3 calls, Villain 4 folds and I call the .25 as well as Villain 1 calls the other .25

This might be where I messed up. The turn is a :3h4: and bet is to me and I checked it. V1 checks and of course V2 raise .50 Everyones calls the .50 so there are still 3 people in this hand plus me making 4.

The river is a :8d4:

At this point I raise .50 being the first to act. V1 folds, V2 calls and V3 raises to $1. I didn't think about someone flopping a set and didn't realize the boat draw until his $1 re-raise. Hoping that this play was bluffing or had 67 as well, I raised .50 V2 folds. V3 raise another .50 to $2 I call and my flopped straight is beat by a full house. V3 had :9d4: :9h4:


I have a couple questions.

1) Had I re-raise on the flop and the turn both or just the turn, would it been enough to get players to fold before the river? My answer is that it's hard to tell in limit poker, because there are so many calling stations out there.


2) Should I have been cautious as to knowing that my hand couldn't improve any father?
 
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3-bet the flop. The board is drawy, they're not folding, and the turn will bring lots of cards that can kill your action.
 
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I'd bet/raise at every opportunity on the flop and turn to get as much money in as possible -- both to eliminate drawing players and charge those who want to stick around. The set is never going away, and an overpair probably isn't either.

You should have been cautious only on the river when the board paired.
 
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I question whether you're remembering the action exactly right when you're in the BB and everyone checks to you?

Nevertheless, this is a super easy flop 3-bet. When you do that Villain 1 is going to have to call 2 cold and you may end up getting 4 bets in there with another reraise from your villian.

I honestly can't understand what happened on the turn from your description. "and bet is to me and I checked it. V1 checks and of course V2 raise .50" Say what?

Get back to us on the actual hand history and we can give you some guidance.
 
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I'd bet/raise at every opportunity on the flop and turn to get as much money in as possible -- both to eliminate drawing players and charge those who want to stick around. The set is never going away, and an overpair probably isn't either.

You should have been cautious only on the river when the board paired.

Sets are way to pretty to fold. If I was holding the 9's I would of assumed I already won the hand. If you didn't bet that much after the flop, I would figure you had nothing...not the straight. After the board paired though, I would have been cautious and just checked a standard raise, but his reraise would of told me he hit something big. I don't know, just mu opinion. =)

It's very hard to put someone on a pocket pair. I don't think they would have folded at all, even when put all in. :)
 
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I too think this hand could have been played very differently. It may not have made much of a difference, but the hand could have been played differently.

I agree that the set isn't likely to fold here, but that is being result oriented instead of trying to play properly.

You should have max bet the flop. You hit the best possible hand, and you had a dominating lead. Make those that are behind you pay to catch a hand. You should have done that all the way until the river, where once the board pairs it becomes a different ball game. I would have check/called here. He could have just as easily been holding 89 instead of 99 and the result would have been the same, where you lose.

You lost the money here because they caught cards. Shit happens. But if you would have forced them to pay against odds to catch a hand, then you would have been paid off higher when they miss that boat and find out their strong hand was dominated from the get go.
 
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To answer your questions:

1. In limit poker, you should raise/re-raise almost every chance you get when you know you have the best hand at that time. Chasers are going to chase, and people are going to catch lucky breaks. But, if you make them pay for it, you will come out better in the long run.

2. When the board paired on the river, I could see throwing one more bet out there. It's limit, so regardless it only costs you two bets maximum to see showdown. But, I wouldn't put in any more just in case.
 
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