200nl - turning a straight

5-handed, effective stacks $201

SB is a lagtard who just got stacked on a bluff

Hero UTG with
Raise to $6
CO folds
Button folds
SB calls
BB calls

Flop ($18)
SB checks
BB checks
Hero checks

Turn: ($18)
SB bets $13
Hero raises to $39
SB calls

River: ($96)
SB bets $62
Hero...

Fold, call, value-shove?

Call. He probably has the flush, possibly TJ for a higher straight.

Bet flop ? Seriously, after you have raised UTG and not bet this, you are getting exploited a lot by good players who will know you are drawing, unless you do this with monsters, but on such a drawy flop, I take it you don't. Betting this flop might be spewy since we get c/r sometimes, but I seriously don't take the free card here too often.

Anyway, back to the hand. Villain can be calling your turn bet with more than flush draw higher str8 since you look like you are on a steal yourself + unless you have been raising SCs UTG a lot, he can't put you on them and none of your holdings make sense. He might be repping the flush on the river for this very reason, so I call and cringe when he shows me the nuts, but you're getting a semi-good price at snapping a bluff or a stupid value bet with Q9 here.

Bombjack said:

SB is a lagtard who just got stacked on a bluff

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based on that, i s'pose cringe and call. i'm definitely not raising. these sort of hands where the flush comes are some of the tougher decisions to make and really read based (and JT is a major possibility). you say he's a lagtard who just got stacked on a bluff, but was his bet sizing larger when he bluffed? did he bluff early on in the hand? was he the aggressor the whole way? comes down to if you believe he'd bluff in this fashion.. bet/calling the turn and then using the club as a scare card, but also making his bet only 2/3 of the pot

Chris_TC said:

He probably has the flush, possibly TJ for a higher straight.

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If that's the case, I should fold, not call...

be like daniel negreanu and go 'i know what you have but ill still call k?'

Well yeah, sometimes you just have to call. $62 is not enough to fold the straight against a LAG.
There are very few situations where I'd ever fold a 3-straight, and this isn't one of them.

Agreed. The only reason to call here is because of lagtardy tiltness, but that's probably enough. With no read, though, you're hosed and should fold.

Agreed. The only reason to call here is because of lagtardy tiltness, but that's probably enough. With no read, though, you're hosed and should fold.

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Suppose you're playing against a decent player, ballsy TAG and he knowns you know he wouldn't do this with Q9, wouldn't you be right in calling ? Just shows that you shouldn't just think in terms of "this looks bad against a TAG" but in terms of "considering the action and how we played, what range can this be?".

The crux of the matter is, we are getting 3:1 on our money and we have to think that because nobody bet the flop, the chances of steal becomes higher. I agree that had we bet this turn, raised this river and are facing a bet, the call becomes tougher, but here, we gotta call. We are good 33% of the time methinks.

jeffred1111 said:

Bet flop ? Seriously, after you have raised UTG and not bet this, you are getting exploited a lot by good players who will know you are drawing, unless you do this with monsters, but on such a drawy flop, I take it you don't. Betting this flop might be spewy since we get c/r sometimes, but I seriously don't take the free card here too often.

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The trouble with c-betting this flop is a) it's 3-way, not heads-up, making it twice as likely that someone hit, and b) it's the type of flop where there are that LOTS of hands in my opponents' ranges will call (face cards / pair + gutshot / flush draw), or even raise, and I don't want to be firing multiple barrels with 7-high not really knowing where I am. If the turn blanks and it's checked round again, I can put in a delayed c-bet, plus I'm giving myself some chance to hit my draw. And on the turn, if the first player bets and the second calls or raises, I get all the information I need to fold without having to put in any more money... so I like the check here.