200NL: KJs in BB in what's likely to be a 3way pot

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Button is a 33/28 over a large sample. My notes on him read:

"Capable of bluffraising turn with draw
checkraise-bluffed ace-high board vs. stealer from BB
very bluffy
donk 97 on 9-8-4 flop, 3way pot. c/c turn, c/c river
3b fr BB, bet Q-high flop, c/rshove A-turn"

UTG and I had just tangled, and he's the kind who bets when he doesn't have it and checks when he does. He min3-bet QQ from the small blind when I opened on the button and then proceeded to check/call a Q-high flop, checked the turn and finally was forced to check/call the river when the board was four-to-a-straight, four-to-a-flush and he had only a set. He's not, in other words, a good player.

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($695.92)
SB ($392.10)
BB ($90.13)
Hero (UTG) ($445)
MP ($200)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K♠, J♠
BB calls $2, 1 fold, Button raises $9, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, BB calls $7

Flop: ($28) 6♦, J♣, 3♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, Button bets $21, Hero calls $21, 1 fold

Turn: ($70) 6♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $58, Hero calls $58

River: ($186) 9♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $159, Hero calls $159

Total pot: $504

3-bet preflop? Fold?

Lead out on flop? check/raise?

what about the turn?

And what the hell about the river? His range is polarized, surely, as the flushdraw didn't get there and he either has a monster or a weak hand. Or? My note on him being bluffy sealed the deal and I called, but I'm not sure hand as a whole.

Maybe that should have been apparent from the beginning and I should just have folded preflop; if I don't know what to do when I get one of the better flops for my hand, maybe I shouldn't play it at all.
 
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Wow, triple barrelling! I actually like your play upto the river. Against a solid villain, I'm folding that river, but your reads are he's very bluffy. I would really like to have to have seen him triple barrell bluff though to call the river. You have under repped your hand, but wow, I dunno he seems very strong with that river bet. I'm inclined to fold tbh.
 
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If he's that bluffy, it looks fine. I might fold river occasionally?
 
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Yeah, the river is... Icky. My thinking was that he could plausibly put me on a draw that missed, and want me to fold K- or A-high if he has nothing. When I checked the river (I kinda wanted to block-bet, btw) I was mumbling to myself "pleasedontbetbigpleasedontbetbigpleasedontbetbig" and then he bets big and I hate life and call anyway.
 
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With checking the turn and the river you put yourself in very bad spot, because he might bet with anything and when u checked the river, than that kind of agressive player will bet there 90% of the time and you face a really tough decision. its 50-50 reads to call or fold.
 
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With checking the turn and the river you put yourself in very bad spot, because he might bet with anything and when u checked the river, than that kind of agressive player will bet there 90% of the time and you face a really tough decision. its 50-50 reads to call or fold.

Um, what?
 
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Wow. Well, not matter what happened at showdown, all players at the table now have a note on you that says "calls 3 barrels with less than TPTK".
 
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Wow. Well, not matter what happened at showdown, all players at the table now have a note on you that says "calls 3 barrels with less than TPTK".
I can live with that :)
 
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3-betting pre is cool only if he folds to c-bets less than 50% of the time.
 
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Wow FP, great hand to post.

Unless your read that he's bluffy is extremly solid, then I fold the river. The conversion seems a bit messed up in the OP, what position were you in ?
 
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Yeah could you clear up who's in what position and who's got what stack size?
 
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FP must be BB, there is an UTG limp caller, and villain is otb.

Really sick hand. Think i'd prefer to 3B this pf as villain's range otb with a limper is so wide for isolating. Playing oop just sucks, especially when you are so deep and thus easier to bluff. As played, not really sure what you should do. Seems to me that villain's range is just so polarised...either has JJ/33/6x mb AJ or nothing. Typically i'd fold river to vast majority of villains but i would probably call vs really bluffy villains that like playing in position seeing as you have underpresented your hand so much. And since this villain has such a wide preflop range and such a narrow vbetting range on river, i could see why you would call the bet. Such a monster size river bet tho...
 
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Oh, sorry, didn't see that the conversion went wrong.

The one called "BB" (with $90 stack) is UTG. I'm in the big blind, closing the action preflop. So we're playing with 220BB stacks.
 
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