[200NL]I flat AQo vs LAG and like the flop.

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There's a little bit of history between this particular LAG and myself: Only about a minute before this hand, I had stacked him on a different table, where he saw fit to call a flop checkraise, then a turn bet, then finally a river shove with 66 on a 2-7-9-7-K board. I had quads.

His 3-bet% was 16%, but sample size was probably not more than 50 or so hands. I could fold to his 3-bet, but given his spewy postflop tendencies, I think there's value in continuing.

Then I felt like I just butchered the whole hand. The only street I'm happy about is the flop. Without having done any real post-hand analysis, my gut feeling after showdown was that I should have c/shoved the turn, specifically because I might end up hating this river so much.

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HAND 1
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$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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UTG: $73.40 (36.7 bb)
CO: $243.25 (121.6 bb)
Hero (MP): $236.75 (118.4 bb)
BB: $40 (20 bb)
BTN: $200 (100 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with Q
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A
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UTG folds, Hero raises to $6, CO folds, BTN raises to $20, 2 folds, Hero calls $14

Flop: ($43) J
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J
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A
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $22, Hero calls $22

Turn: ($87) Q
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Hero checks, BTN bets $69, Hero calls $69

River: ($225) K
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Hero checks, BTN bets $89 and is all-in, Hero calls $89
 
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Well, it's the beauty of the LAG style that you can't really put them on a range, so it makes it so hard to analyze.

You've seen him call down very light before, but did you see him barrel light as well? It's not really the same.
 
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Didn't have enough hands on him to form an opinion about that, no.
 
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with so little behind, i agree that you need to either c/shove turn or bet it yourself. even if he did have a tendency to triple barrel, it's hard to expect him to do it as much when he can only bet $89 into $225

on the flop you c/c OOP in a 3bet pot on an AJJr. it's sort of hard to expect him to double barrel the turn since you should have at least an A more often than not, but if the history between you two is strong enough, maybe he can put you on underpairs or just weak enough As that can fold. not sure if he'd even bet AK for value on the turn. i'd guess not, and i'd say he definitely shouldn't. for that reason, a not-too-large donk bet might be in order

river is a really ugly spot. you're getting such good odds + he can be spazzing out with a slew of suited connectors and small pairs that never had any part of this board. i make a crying call most likely
 
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By the way, I'm pretty close to start folding AQo when 3-bet and out of position. It's hard to make money off of it, really, even if I think it's a superlight 3-bet.
 
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agreed. unless you have very strong postflop edge/reads on the guy or he's just going to spew a lot, it's incredibly difficult to make it profitable

edit: but if you think it's light you def need to 4bet it some, or else you're just going to get abused. yes, you're turning the hand into a bluff but it has the advantage of having blockers to the types of hands he'd be able to continue with whereas you don't when you 4bet 27o. + there's always the chance they make a weird flat of your 4bet and then it helps to have cards to hit
 
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Is flatting AQ oop to a 3-bet standard for you? I just hate flatting basically any 3-bet oop. Once in a while against spewtards I'll do it with AA/KK but the problem with that is it's hard to balance it against competent players. You can flat a wide range in position to 3-bets but I just hate flatting a 3-bet oop like this, especially AQ. It's just so hard to play oop here and this is a good example. You basically end up flipping your hand face up so often.
 
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Versus a decent player, no, flatting AQ OOP isn't standard. This guy was wild (I didn't mean to imply that he was a good LAG) and I thought I'd get him to spew postflop. But after posting this hand, I did some soul searching (read: HEM filtering) and decided that always folding AQo to a 3-bet probably isn't a big leak, if at all, when stacks are full.
 
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oop I'm usually turning it into a bluff or 4bet/calling it off. The card removal is awesome and a lot of 3bets are just positional plays anyways, so we take it down really often. Playing it postflop oop against almost anyone is always a pain in the ass. I do like to take lines like these against really really aggro regs though.
 
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Yeah, AQo is a tough hand to make best with that can still get paid off when you're OOP.

I don't see how you can fold it against a guy with 16% 3-bet range tho.
 
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