What a hand!!
I'm terrible at folding sets, even bottom set. For me to do so the evidence has to be really overwhelming. Do we have it here? You can't exclude the chance one of the villains has a better set, and on a draw heavy board like this they have to play it fast. Also, on a 6-handed table I wouldn't be surprised someone actually has KJ. But the probability of them having something different than a bigger set or KJ is higher.
The problem is the way the betting went following your flop check, which won't allow you to make a more educated decision on a subsequent street. In other words, the aggressive flop betting has turned this hand into a game of chance rather than skill. The ideal on such a board would be to see the turn and possibly another round of betting before making a decision for all your chips but it doesn't appear that is possible anymore. This could turn out to be a good thing. Or not. I know I can't fold here, which is also my biggest weakness in cash games and the reason I don't play many of them.
This is what I'm wondering. Does anyone consider flat calling to get Stacks O_Greedy involved, and then shove the turn (unless its a disaster card like Kc or Jc)? Or everyone views this as a fold or shove decision? The reasons for a flat call are:
1) we can get the extra $54 from Stacks O_Greedy
2) we will rarely take the pot down with a shove, cause Xiadow is not folding at this point whether he has a made hand or a draw (he'll be getting 3.65 to 1 on his draw if he has one)
3) we can escape if the turn brings a bad card that almost certainly makes a better hand than ours, saving us $100
One of the problems with the flat call and having the other villain call is that we won't be able to give bad odds
to drawing hands on the turn. Even knowing that, is it really that terrible to flat call, do we have
to view this as a shove or fold? Explain why, besides our inability to give bad drawing odds on the turn, because the reality is we can't deny them on the flop either, at least to Xiadow.