[200NL 6max] QQ UTG vs Aggro Reg and Huge Fish

Ok, Button here is an extremely aggro reg with stats of 26/25/4.8 with a 15.3% 3bet over 650 hands

BB is a massive fish who has been stacking with gutshots postflop and pretty much never folding, ever.

Do you like the 4bet here? And also do you get this in being so deep? I have some history with the button reg with 3bets and 4bets, but this is the first time hes ever done more than 3bet (he's never 4bet/5bet me yet) and he also folds to 90% of 3bets. Basically I'm trying to isolate the fish here by 4betting since he is calling with basically any two cards. Just a crappy spot in general i think.

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Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $247.75 (123.9 bb)
BB: $260.30 (130.2 bb)
Hero (UTG): $465.65 (232.8 bb)
MP: $193 (96.5 bb)
CO: $200 (100 bb)
BTN: $354.90 (177.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, BTN raises to $24, SB folds, BB calls $22, Hero raises to $70, BTN raises to $144, 2 folds

Yeah I play it the same and I'm always stacking here.

Even though his fold to 3-bet % is pretty low, I still get it in here given the fact that you've been abusing him for the following reasons:

1) We have 40% equity vs. a range of QQ+/AK.
2) We have been 4-betting this guy a lot recently & outplaying him.
3) It looks like we're squeezing him & the fish.
4) I would think he would flat something like AA to keep the drooler in the pot.
5) Too much money in the pot already.

So yeah, I cram it in here. But you already know that cuz I told you that on AIM.

And preflop pots are such zzzzzz..... post like a nasty turn spot where you've got some mediocre holding or something. Your mistakes preflop can never really be that bad. But you can make GIANT screw ups postflop.

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I think this spot is alot worse than some ppl are thinking. When you are this deep and vs a UTG raise, it is hard to imagine that a min 5B is anything but QQ+. In general he is going to be less inclined to 3B an UTG raise and then after you repop it he surely does have to give you credit for a big hand because you probably aren't thinking he is making a huge move on you since you are UTG and him then turning his hand into a bluff. And then how can he ever put in 72BB lightly given stack size? (coz we can't have bluffs in his range realisitically given the dynamic) because he can't possibly fold to a shove. And if you have never seen anything beyond a 3, then a 5B this deep should garner ALOT of credit.

I just don't ever think villain is doing this light, even given his stats. The 3B will be light sometimes, but i don't think the 5B is ever light. CO vs Btn i get this in 100% and rather happily but UTG vs Btn not so much. This is just not a logical spot where villain would be trying to make a move, and without history that villain is going to make big postflop moves (of which 3Bing is not) then i really think you are probably crushed here by his range. I also disagree that he woudl ever flat with AA this deep in a million years given reverse implied odds and his image, especially when the fish obviously is bad enough to cold call 3Bs from sb.

That said i don't think you have any options but to ship it in (while vomiting) and just chalk it up to coolerville.

feitr said:

I also disagree that he woudl ever flat with AA this deep in a million years given reverse implied odds and his image, especially when the fish obviously is bad enough to cold call 3Bs from sb.

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I meant flat the 4-bet.

Ah ok, that does make alot more sense. Might or might not, pretty close to impossible to be able to tell villain's tendencies in a spot like that.

I just cant imagine a non-tilting reg 5 betting without having QQ beat. Are we just saying we'd never fold QQ? Hard to imagine a clearer signal than this.

'reg' doesn't mean he's good enough to fold worse hands here. He looks to me like a bad lag tbh.