200nl 6max: QJs float, get lost on FD turn

ChuckTs

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Villain seems like an aggressive lag/tag at like 25/20 or something. Tiny sample size.

I float flop, pick up a draw on the turn, and get kind of lost. Thoughts?

poker stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $247 (123.5 bb)
BB: $405.85 (202.9 bb)
MP: $202.55 (101.3 bb)
CO: $153.50 (76.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $405.40 (202.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q
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J
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MP folds, CO raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17) 5
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4
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6
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(2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($37) K
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CO bets $26, Hero ...
 
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I don't know for sure (quite naturally).

I think you're beat.

Possible set/straight/Overpair 1010-AA against a flushdraw K high, mmmm.

What is in his range ?

AA-77 ?
44,55,66 for a set ?
7,8d ?
7,8o ?
even 2,3os

would he bet on A,K all the time here ?
K6o
K5o
K4o ?

I'd probably fold....



 
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I like a raise on the turn. It doesn't have to be big, because your line reeks of slowplayed strength. I'm a lot less enthusiastic of calling here, though, because your implied odds probably don't make up for the less-than-optimal price to pay for drawing.

You could even min-raise. If he calls and the river brings a flush, jam. If he calls and the river brings a Q or a J, I'll even consider making a small value bet if he checks. But I expect him to fold a majority of the time.
 
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Oh, and we have a slight problem with his less-than-full stack. That's why I suggested a min-raise. We don't want to have to call a shove on his part. Although shoving ourselves isn't a terrible idea either; just be careful not to end up in the middle ground where we're committed to calling a shove from him, because that sucks.
 
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Why u called his raise on flop? it makes no sense u should tried to re-reaise or fold on flop call was not an option and even if u picked up a flush draw on the turn u cant call there it is a 100% fold
 
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Why u called his raise on flop? it makes no sense u should tried to re-reaise or fold on flop call was not an option and even if u picked up a flush draw on the turn u cant call there it is a 100% fold

It's called floating: Calling a bet in position in the hope of taking the pot down on a later street. Used against certain villains it can be an effective tool with less than optimum hands.
 
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ug, sucks coz villain is short. I think you need to raise, because it seems to me that in these spots pretty aggro villains can have extremely wide ranges, because they are aware you are often floating them on a flop like this and when the K comes they know for sure you'll bet and they'll probably have to fold. You have 15 clean outs most of the time here. I don't think calling is a good option, coz you have to fold 1/3 of the time on the river, and even when you do hit i just think that a guy this loose and given the board probably has a real wide range that isn't often paying you off.

I kinda like shoving given stack sizes, but that does look almost too much like a draw. If you raise it to $70 and villain shoves it sucks coz you have to call it off. Min raise might work, coz it will look pretty strong given stack sizes. Idk, seems an odd spot given stack sizes, but imo villain often has a real wide range and just doesn' want to get floated.
 
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Why u called his raise on flop? it makes no sense u should tried to re-reaise or fold on flop call was not an option and even if u picked up a flush draw on the turn u cant call there it is a 100% fold
Its called a float. Youll see that play more often on higher levels. Its a good way to mix your game i think.
 
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I think id would try something on the turn here. You do float the flop, u gotta make something happen after. You improved your nothing hand to a decent flush draw, i think you got to raise the turn. A bit. Id say 65 or somewhere near that.
 
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i think you can just shove the turn. your line looks so strong and he folds a TON
 
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I like minraising and i like shoving as both have good fold equity/outs if called. Folding is not horrible either, some floats just don't work. I just don't think you have good enough implied odds to just call hoping for a flush here.
 
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