[200NL 6max] My Line with TPTK in 3-way 3bet Pot

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Both villains are solid regulars in the hand. The coldcaller from the blinds I put on a range of JJ-AA (maybe AQ but highly doubtful) since I just cant see any other hands cold calling from the blinds here. Original raiser is probably on some type of pair/speculative hand than now has odds to call since the pot is 3 way. The flop comes with absolutely 0 draws and I figure by betting I am not getting anything worse to call so i opt to check. Anyways, thoughts on the entire line?? I'm a 21/19/2.5


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CO: $202 (101 bb)
Hero (BTN): $415 (207.5 bb)
SB: $230 (115 bb)
BB: $85.85 (42.9 bb)
UTG: $206 (103 bb)
MP: $203 (101.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with A
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K
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UTG folds, MP raises to $6, CO folds, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $19, BB folds, MP calls $14

Flop: ($62) 2
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K
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6
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(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($62) J
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SB bets $28, MP folds, Hero calls $28

River: ($118) 8
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SB checks, Hero bets $55
 
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I like it. Worse hands rarely call on the flop.
 
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I think i play it the same way. Which does not mean it's correct, of course. River bet is a bet/fold or bet/call if raised?
 
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I think you're almost certainly good here and I'd expect to get check-raised like never. I think river bet is perfect size for a crying call from QQ.

I think this illustrates the problem of cold-calling a three-bet even with a hand as strong as QQ out of the blinds.
 
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I like it all assuming river is b/f. I dont see many hands SB turns into a bluff here with no draws to miss. I doubt he makes a plan with QQ, TT or any pair here really and may get a crying call.
 
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Hmmmmmm.....just curious on why you just flat the turn bet on such an interesting card like Jh, if your range on opponent is 100% correct then flatting here is fine but....say he picked up a draw, wouldnt you be losing value here with AK by not raising? The $28 half pot bet just seems so weak, not sure exactly what he would rep here with that but it doesnt feel particularily strong.

Unless you are pretty sure your river bet is going to get paid off by a J/QQ or a less likely WK, possible I think given opponents range, then this line is fine.
 
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The river bet is... Well, tricky. Most solid regs 4-bet QQ in his spot preflop, but if that's 100% in his range, then the river bet is good. If he can have KQs, it's great. But if QQ is unlikely, and he's not loose enough preflop to flat 3bets with KQs, then we're just getting folds from TT (unless you have a really spewy image) and get owned by JJ.

If I were villain, there would be no value for you in betting river, because I would have blockbet the river with queens, and while TT and JJ are equally likely, I'm folding TT to a bet, and I'm probably going for a river checkraise versus an opponent with a large bet-river%.

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Hmmmmmm.....just curious on why you just flat the turn bet on such an interesting card like Jh, if your range on opponent is 100% correct then flatting here is fine but....say he picked up a draw, wouldnt you be losing value here with AK by not raising? The $28 half pot bet just seems so weak, not sure exactly what he would rep here with that but it doesnt feel particularily strong.
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I don't like raising the turn, because there's so very few draws he could have. His range is very narrow here and the only plausible draw I can give him is AhQh (or maybe AhKh, but we stand nothing to gain from raising vs. that hand, and it's very doubtful that he wouldn't 4-bet that pre). And that's the only hand we beat that might call a raise, and that we are relatively worried about sucking out. Most of the rest of the time, he has a hand that he's betting for protection (like QQ who thinks he might be good and doesn't want an ace to roll off) and will simply fold to a raise, or a bluff/semibluff like AQ or 99 who hopes to fold out TT or QQ. Versus these hands, it's better to just call because raising doesn't gain us anything (and in the worst possible case, he'll shove over our raise and bluff us off the pot) and if we raise into his sets, then... Yeah, that's not good either.
 
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Yeah, I think this hand was played really well. Getting too aggro with TPTK on dry boards in multiway, 3-bet pots is major spew, I'm learning.
 
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F Paulsson said:
The river bet is... Well, tricky. Most solid regs 4-bet QQ in his spot preflop, but if that's 100% in his range, then the river bet is good. If he can have KQs, it's great. But if QQ is unlikely, and he's not loose enough preflop to flat 3bets with KQs, then we're just getting folds from TT (unless you have a really spewy image) and get owned by JJ.

If I were villain, there would be no value for you in betting river, because I would have blockbet the river with queens, and while TT and JJ are equally likely, I'm folding TT to a bet, and I'm probably going for a river checkraise versus an opponent with a large bet-river%.


I don't like raising the turn, because there's so very few draws he could have. His range is very narrow here and the only plausible draw I can give him is AhQh (or maybe AhKh, but we stand nothing to gain from raising vs. that hand, and it's very doubtful that he wouldn't 4-bet that pre). And that's the only hand we beat that might call a raise, and that we are relatively worried about sucking out. Most of the rest of the time, he has a hand that he's betting for protection (like QQ who thinks he might be good and doesn't want an ace to roll off) and will simply fold to a raise, or a bluff/semibluff like AQ or 99 who hopes to fold out TT or QQ. Versus these hands, it's better to just call because raising doesn't gain us anything (and in the worst possible case, he'll shove over our raise and bluff us off the pot) and if we raise into his sets, then... Yeah, that's not good either.
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FP, thanks for the analysis, but I'm also curious as to whether u like the flop check or whether you just bet out here.
 
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bw07507 said:
FP, thanks for the analysis, but I'm also curious as to whether u like the flop check or whether you just bet out here.
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For me, I think betting and checking that flop should both be options with AK.

More precisely, I think it's a spot where checking is more profitable than betting, but if you always check behind in this spot, your cbets will loose all credibility as people will realize it pretty fast that you bet air and check behind TPTK on dry boards. So it needs to be varied.
 
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bw07507 said:
FP, thanks for the analysis, but I'm also curious as to whether u like the flop check or whether you just bet out here.
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I like the flop check. It's very difficult for them to have a hand you can extract value from that doesn't crush you. Checking the flop allows you to pick up another bet from a worse hand/bluff that thinks he has a chance.

That said, the fact that it's 3-way makes checking the pot closer. Heads-up, it's what I do every time versus a solid reg. 3-way, there's more action to be had in general, but still, with the preflop lines they've taken, you're essentially playing wa/wb.
 
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