200nl 6max - AQs facing 3/bet

Jagsti

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Ok only 89 hands with villain and he's bordering on LAG with 29/26/1. I'm not sure I like my pf line in fact oop it's pretty shitty, but he seems kinda weak post flop. So based on that should we be 4 betting here and how much?

How are you playing this hand on the flop, then river?

Comments on my play plz.

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HAND #1
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poker stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $197 (98.5 bb)
SB: $186 (93 bb)
BB: $204 (102 bb)
UTG: $114.65 (57.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $369.85 (184.9 bb)
CO: $512.95 (256.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with A
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Q
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UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, CO folds, BTN raises to $26, 2 folds, Hero calls $19

Flop: ($55) 2
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7
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T
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(2 players)
Hero bets $39, BTN calls $39

Turn: ($133) K
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(2 players)
Hero bets $304.85 and is all-in
 
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I'm far from a 6max expert, but I don't like flatting here OoP with hands like AQ. As for postflop, wouldnt a ch/shove be pretty standard here with you're hand?? After he flats you're lead I think you have to shove the K turn as its a scare card and you picked up 4 more outs with the gutshot.
 
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Fold preflop, C/R flop, and fold turn.
 
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Zach, why we folding the turn?
 
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Zach, why we folding the turn?
Because Zach is a nit, and hates equity.

A check/raise is better if our opponent c-bets a lot. If his c-bet % is like 65% or less, then leading/shoving turn is probably preferable.

Very nice betsizing on the flop btw. You could maybe go a shade bigger on the flop, but I likes it.

If his 3-bet % is high, then I 4-bet here a lot too.
 
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I like flatting preflop. No point in folding out worse hands. If you 4-bet him you must be willing to call it off. I'd rather see a flop.

Was your flop lead based on his low aggression factor? What's his c-bet %?
Either way, I like a c/r more than a lead. If he checks back it's not really a big deal because you don't have a hand yet anyway.

Shoving the turn is probably the best line after leading the flop. You have a good draw and good folding equity.
 
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I like flatting preflop. No point in folding out worse hands. If you 4-bet him you must be willing to call it off. I'd rather see a flop.

Was your flop lead based on his low aggression factor? What's his c-bet %?
Either way, I like a c/r more than a lead. If he checks back it's not really a big deal because you don't have a hand yet anyway.

Shoving the turn is probably the best line after leading the flop. You have a good draw and good folding equity.

He cb % is 56. Yeah he's pretty aggro PF, he has a 3bet % of 18 so 4 betting probably takes it down pf, but he seemed a bit weak post flop. But sample size is only small.
 
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If he checks back it's not really a big deal because you don't have a hand yet anyway
Wat? We don't have hands in poker, we have equity... Top pair vs. flush draw doesn't matter. We have a % of equity in the pot.
 
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Wat? We don't have hands in poker, we have equity... Top pair vs. flush draw doesn't matter. We have a % of equity in the pot.
You may name it whatever you like, but vs. any pair we have about 50% equity to the river and only half that to the turn.
It's in our interest to either win the pot uncontested right away or put the money in later, when we've hit our hand.
 
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It's in our interest to either win the pot uncontested right away or put the money in later, when we've hit our hand.
Or put the maximum amount of money in the pot while our equity is at the highest... If we knew our opponent would check behind, would you check to him?
 
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Or put the maximum amount of money in the pot while our equity is at the highest... If we knew our opponent would check behind, would you check to him?
Right, we get max money in when we have max equity. 50% equity is a coinflip. The only reason to go all-in at that point is folding equity. We want our opponent to fold because we will win whatever is in the pot. We DO NOT want him to call because we don't make any profit whenever he calls.

If I knew he would check behind I would check to him. That's because I'm pretty sure there's more value in trying to hit my hand and value betting him on a later street than relying on folding equity to sometimes win the pot on the flop.
 
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Why donk the flop?

Well, this is usually standard CRAI territory for me..... but I think I may have become a little predictable with that. So I thought play it a little differently, just to vary it up. Thats my only reasoning behind donking it.
 
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Do you have any 3bet stats or history on your opponent?
 
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Well, this is usually standard CRAI territory for me..... but I think I may have become a little predictable with that. So I thought play it a little differently, just to vary it up. Thats my only reasoning behind donking it.

I don't think we can give up this much edge in a hand in the name of balance, which is really not necessary against someone you only have 90 hands on.

Donking basically forces him to continue only with the stronger part of his range, or make an unlikely bluff raise which won't happen often. Checking gets us value from his whole range. He's 3bet pf with a wide range and will continue firing with almost all that range, so let him cbet and come over the top of him. No need to balance vs a crazy player like this.
 
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