[200NL 6-max] Flop top two in 3-way squeezed flop w QJs

My read on my opponents was that they were fairly standard regs at Party 200. No specific note on either.

Original preflopraiser was someone I only had 50 or so hands on but his stats looked decent.

The guy who flatted twice is a 21/16 with a 5.6% 3-bet, and a 4.9 postflop AF. I have over 3k hands on him and he seems solid.

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party poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (SB): $240.07 (120 bb)
BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $70.55 (35.3 bb)
MP: $333.16 (166.6 bb)
CO: $702.53 (351.3 bb)
BTN: $271.15 (135.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $7, CO calls $7, BTN folds, Hero raises to $32, BB folds, MP calls $25, CO calls $25

Flop: ($98) J Q T (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $61, CO raises to $148, Hero raises to $208.07 and is all-in, MP folds, CO calls $60.07

I hesitated before shoving the flop, but that's all I can, yes? I'm up against 5 sets, a few flushdraws, a lot of straight draws and the occasional AK. Maybe a strangely played AA and KK?

Is a 3bet here standard? QJs is not a hand I want to play in a 3bet pot OOP, but I play FR and much lower stakes so I'm just curious. Other than not liking the 3bet in the first place there's nothing more you can do than get you stack in after you flop top 2 imo.

Any reads on how CO plays deepstacked? Because it's odd that he would be flatting QQ/AK twice.

Three-bet a little on the large size?

I guess you're beat but what else are you going to do.

why aren't you c-betting flop?

WVHillbilly said:

Is a 3bet here standard? QJs is not a hand I want to play in a 3bet pot OOP, but I play FR and much lower stakes so I'm just curious. Other than not liking the 3bet in the first place there's nothing more you can do than get you stack in after you flop top 2 imo.

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The 3-bet isn't standard, per se, I'm squeezing. That's why it looks "big," too. My standard 3-bet when someone opens for $7 is $25, but here we already have a caller, so I add on $7.

I had an interesting rationale for checking the flop, too, by the way, which was that the flop getting checked through wasn't a disaster for me (since then I'm likely way ahead of their ranges on a blank turn), or I'd like to get all my money in right here on the flop. What I did not want to happen was to bet the flop and get just called by one of them, because I'd have just about one bet left and I really don't know what I'd do on a 8/9/T/K/A/diamond turn with just one bet left. If the flop gets checked through and someting from the annoying half of the deck rolls off, I can check again and use relative position to make a good move. But once one of them bets the flop, I had to check/raise all-in, I think.

The fact that MP and CO are playing deep is something I missed when I played the hand. I still hadn't noticed it before I came back here after dinner (was in a hurry to post the hand), but it's an interesting point. How do you think that changes CO's range? Would he be more inclined to flat AK preflop? I'm going to say yes, and now I'm not sure I want to discard that holding at all from his hand, and my hand starts too look a lot less attractive, in hindsight. It's difficult for him to have combodraws, except for something like AdTd or Td9d. Then again, he could have QJ, or JT. I don't know him well enough to say how he'd play those hands on this flop 3-way.

F Paulsson said:

The fact that MP and CO are playing deep is something I missed when I played the hand. I still hadn't noticed it before I came back here after dinner (was in a hurry to post the hand), but it's an interesting point. How do you think that changes CO's range? Would he be more inclined to flat AK preflop? I'm going to say yes, and now I'm not sure I want to discard that holding at all from his hand, and my hand starts too look a lot less attractive, in hindsight. It's difficult for him to have combodraws, except for something like AdTd or Td9d. Then again, he could have QJ, or JT. I don't know him well enough to say how he'd play those hands on this flop 3-way.

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Obviously with 100BBs he is never flatting the three-bet and would just get it in.

Surely he has a read on you as a solid player, so if he's holding AK in position here, he probably puts you on JJ+, and callling could be his standard play this deep. Does he read you as a habitual squeezer?

baudib1 said:

Obviously with 100BBs he is never flatting the three-bet and would just get it in.

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Yeah, I can only assume as much.

Surely he has a read on you as a solid player, so if he's holding AK in position here, he probably puts you on JJ+, and callling could be his standard play this deep. Does he read you as a habitual squeezer?

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Possibly, but unlikely. I don't squeeze all that much, and my 3-bet% is lower than average for Party. I see what you're saying, though, and I agree: AK is squarely in his range here.

Don't most ppl underestimate ppls 3bet% from someone in the sb. I mean it's an ideal position to sqz from and I would say most regs will sqz a lot more from that position in relation to their total 3bet%. So given that I think we can assume FP's range is a lot wider that JJ+, imo.

I like the sqz, I would usually cb that flop but I like your rationale for the chk/raise. I would be worried though if it did get chk through as there's a lot of cards that will kill our action on the turn.

Jagsti said:

I like the sqz, I would usually cb that flop but I like your rationale for the chk/raise. I would be worried though if it did get chk through as there's a lot of cards that will kill our action on the turn.

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Yeah, I'm not saying I'm right in my reasoning. That's what I figured though: that I really didn't want the flop to "bet, fold, call" or "bet, call, fold", so then I did the one thing I could do to make sure none of those things happened. I had to sort of defragment why I didn't "want" that afterwards.