This is a discussion on $2000 NLHE Full Ring: Folding QQ pre? within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Came across this hand in my weekly 10/20 session that bothered me.
Table dynamics: mainly TAG, few lags like me. Action doesn't normally get to
Came across this hand in my weekly 10/20 session that bothered me.
Table dynamics: mainly TAG, few lags like me. Action doesn't normally get to heated pref lop. Everybody is playing a deep stack ($4000 +) as the max buy-in is set at 200bb
UTG (tag) opens to 70
UTG+1 (tag) raises to 350
UTG+2 (Tag) four bets to 1150
action folds to hero in mp with Qd Qc
Should i four bet, flat, or fold? I think i would have to four-bet jam playing a 5k stack, and against that kind of action I'm flipping at best it seems. If i flat and no face cards hit on the flop, i might still be behind, and i would have to fold in the face of an ace or king. I go ahead and fold. Is this a loosing play?
Normally i would definatley play this, but with these dynamics am i ever winning?
Spoiler: UTG jams with AA and gets called by the four-better with the other two queens.
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You know this game better than we do, so your reads of the TAGs matter a ton.
However, in a generic live game, people don't 3bet/4bet much preflop. And on average, people 3bet a preflop raise about half as much when the original raiser is UTG. So the normally tight live ranges are even tighter.
I probably just fold this, after some whining. We need AQ, JJ type stuff in their range, and that seems optimistic.
Side note: This is probably a great game to short-stack. Buy in for like 20 bb's and push around all the loose deep stacks preflop.
12th July 2018, 9:18 PM
Yes this is a fold spot as UTG and UTG +1 acting behind and cold 4 bet. I used to jam here with Queens but I learnt my lesson.