$200 PL O 6-max: $200 PL Omaha Decision for stack?

I have been playing at this table for only 15-20 min and am up about $45. The players at the table have already all been switched around, the only loose player (as far as making preflop raises almost every hand) is gone already. I have a read on the villian in this hand as being very tight preflop showing signs of continuation betting any flop that is relatively dry. OK here we go:

Hero ($244.50)
Villian ($198)
Dealer ($97)
SB ($185)

Hero in the BB ($2) with [4s 2d 6h 4c]

UTG folds

UTG +1 folds

MP Villian Raises to $7

Dealer Calls $7

SB Calls $7

Hero Calls $7 (Although I have no suited cards I have the low pair and some straight possiblities, so I call with the big pot odds in front of me.)

Pot is now $28

FLOP [6s 3s 4h]

SB Checks

HERO Checks (I check here because I have the preflop raiser to my left and this is a pretty safe board besides the flush draw, I am pretty sure the raiser will continuation bet here almost all the time with big pairs AA or KK and even with just the flush draw to try to take it down.)

VILLIAN Bets $26.60 (this is a pot size bet after the rake)

Dealer Folds

SB Folds

HERO? (What are my options here? Do you just call to peel off another card? Do you raise? If so, how much? Min? Pot?)

I will post results after a bit of discussion.

Well since I haven't had any discussion on this yet I will give away what I did next and the hero's decision to what I did.

I was faced with a pot sized bet of $26.60 with my middle set of 4s and I really am not considering folding, I think a big pair is definitely a possibility for the villian to be holding, maybe with the spade draw.

I was thinking either a flat call or min raising, I don't want to raise more because I don't want the villian to feel like his only option now is to move allin on me.

So I decide to min raise to $53.20
Villian insta reraises pot to $186.20 which is allin minus about $5.

I am looking at $133 or $138 if I just want to push him allin and the pot would be just over $400 if I win.

WHAT NOW!

My math may be a bit off here but it looks like you have about 31 outs here. If you are right on your read here, I would push. You have the right odds to do this and the right number of outs.

bubbasbestbabe said:

My math may be a bit off here but it looks like you have about 31 outs here. If you are right on your read here, I would push. You have the right odds to do this and the right number of outs.

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no way he has 31 outs

this is not a good flop to raise imo, 2nd best set with a str8 on board
and if infact villain is c-betting with AA/KK, he isnt calling a c/min raise and those are the only hands u really beat at this point in time

but since u raised and a tight villain insta potted for basically his whole stack, u have to fold. at best u have a flip and a lot of times ur dominated and drawing to 6 boat outs

got to fold

I have no idea where 31 outs have come from. As Pantin said, raising flop is pretty bad, mainly for the reason it is a multiway pot, so your actually kind of turning your hand into a bluff, since villain will put you on the nuts here most likely and folds all the hands that you beat, the fact that he has shoved implies that he has sick good equity against the nuts here, so your set is obviously crushed. Therefore calling shouldn't really be an option here

I don't play much Omaha, but pretty sure calling preflop here is awful. You say we have good pot odds, but good odds to hit what? If we're going to see a flop multi-way we need some draws to the nuts. We have a pair which when it makes a set will almost always be bottom set. Basically we're seeing a flop with a hand that will make 2nd best a ton and you're going to be giving up a lot of money. I think this is just a fold preflop.

zachvac said:

I don't play much Omaha, but pretty sure calling preflop here is awful. You say we have good pot odds, but good odds to hit what? If we're going to see a flop multi-way we need some draws to the nuts. We have a pair which when it makes a set will almost always be bottom set. Basically we're seeing a flop with a hand that will make 2nd best a ton and you're going to be giving up a lot of money. I think this is just a fold preflop.

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This. These are the types of hands that just give money away since you're making 2nd best a ton. Flop is also a clear fold.

lol @ good pot odds.....so basically do you call with 2 3 offsuit in holdem when u have good pot odds? if you do , good job sir and well played in this hand

n2kfactor said:

lol @ good pot odds.....so basically do you call with 2 3 offsuit in holdem when u have good pot odds? if you do , good job sir and well played in this hand

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I will absolutely play 2 3 offsuit with good preflop pot odds. Lets say I am on the button with 2 3 off suit in a 1/2 NL full ring game and the UTG raises to $6. And every person after him calls the $6. When it gets to me, I really don't have to even look at my cards, I am in that pot almost every time.

As far as folding this preflop, I am folding here preflop most of the time, but against a tight player who hasn't raised preflop yet, I think I can outplay him if the board looks "scary". My check to the initial raiser was also to get information about other two players in the hand. I wanted the raiser to bet and hopefully the other players to fold and its now heads up. That is exactly what happened and I thought the min raise would get him off his aces. So the pot size reraise comes back at me and I push him allin for his last $5.

So remember the flop was 6s 3s 4h

Turn card [6d]

River card [Jc]

Jordanbillie wins pot $407 with sixes full of fours.
Villian mucks Ad Kd As Jh

jordanbillie said:

I will absolutely play 2 3 offsuit with good preflop pot odds. Lets say I am on the button with 2 3 off suit in a 1/2 NL full ring game and the UTG raises to $6. And every person after him calls the $6. When it gets to me, I really don't have to even look at my cards, I am in that pot almost every time.

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1. Against good players this is a leak
2. The PLO example is far worse because
a. You are oop
b. You have almost no draws to the nuts which is pretty much what you need to stack someone in PLO whereas in nlhe if you have 23 and the flop is 456 you're not extremely worried you're beat and can likely get far worse hands to stack.

So basically in the hand a moron who probably came straight from the HE table can't fold an overpair so you win the pot. With reads that he's that bad I agree you can stack here and calling pre is fine too, but without that read I'm gonna stick with preflop being a fold. Also if this were the micros or something I agree it's fine but pretty sure the majority of 200plo players aren't bad enough to stack as villain did in this example.